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Everybody Focused on Palestine! But What About Kashmir?

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06 Feb 2015 18:15 #239208 by mapoui

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07 Feb 2015 09:48 #239237 by ketchim
The Lat thread was phucked up by pattacake ...

your fascism and Kashmir Link  :-[

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07 Feb 2015 10:08 #239244 by mapoui

yes it was!  and it looks like you are prepared to speak like you used to talk on this thread.  all may not be lost then...... ::confused::

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07 Feb 2015 23:39 #239363 by Kwami
Usually I view  Maps  posts  with bemusement and amusement and for  him to  suggest that there is genocide in Kashmir is absurd .
Kashmir an Jam nu    is Indian in spite . despite Pakistan .
Pakistan can clamor  from now to  eternity but no Indian  govt will ever cede on inch of territory be  it Kashmir  to  Pakistan or Andhra pranchal  to China . These are realities  .

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08 Feb 2015 10:37 #239387 by ketchim

The reality is that the British Raj knew the soul of India when they did the border..

knowing fully well that India is capable of Genocide ...

over a likkel piece of Land ...

kinda like a Berbice land dispute ending with Cutlass and neighbour dead  :P

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08 Feb 2015 11:00 - 08 Feb 2015 15:27 #239394 by mapoui

well..what took you so long...we could have been fighting for a couple of years now.  imagine how much fun that would have been.  we can make up for it however......

yet I did not give you cause or pause for your comments above.  that's entirely Vltchek.  its his work!  yet that journo has the world of experience and reputation to match.  you are free to debunk him


however I know Indian people, and the indian elite are in fact genocidal, fully capable of doing all they are stated to be responsible for in that article.  Indian people, Hindu, are elitist for the most part and have done and do awful things in their region and wherever else.  Indian people/state are exceptionalist,  just like their best friends in the world... the Israelis and the Americans.

you can find fault with such a concept only because of exceptionalist myopia yourself, being Indian yourself and a subscriber.....

and lest you feel lonely as such, dont!  you have lots of company there.  you have the listed Israelis and americans, but there are lots more including n!g nogs too...like Kagame and the Rwandans steeped in genocide and superiority.  even the Jamaicans have their own extreme exceptionalism..a thing indeed to behold. 

I was stunned when I began to discover Jamaican fascism...save it is more like an extreme nationalism, rooted in the majority black Jamaican population...and likely not so strong if at al, in the brown and white Jamaican elites.  yes its there too. exceptionalism, a strong, powerful element in Jamaican society and Jamaicans wherever they are in the world

I am a human being Kwami. that is what I accept myself as and life experience has taught me vital and basic lessons about humanity, ever since 2 primary school teachers singled me out as an uppity n!gger... the first one a fiery red woman named Mrs Roberts...because I refused to obey her command to throw away my defense in a fight with 2 brothers..the Lewis brothers.  my defense was 2 stones..the only factor keeping them off me as we headed home during the lunch break.  I was 9 years old.

Ms Roberts was tight with my teacher her exact polar opposite as phenotype..jet black, shorter, stocky and brutal.  she had a leather belt..a real big and hard leather belt.  it is only years later I came to understand the nature of their relationship.

but I could not toss my defense for she Mrs Roberts, was headed back into the school from which she had emerged, saw the fight, ordered me to toss away my defense.  those brothers would have been on me like white on rice as soon as she disappeared back inside.  not even at my feet would work...I had to toss them into the bush, too far away to be of any use to me.  so I refused!  she said..'ok! I will deal with you.'  I got home safely but I knew I had an issue with my teachers.

she did not come that afternoon, after lunch, but the next morning and complained before the whole class.  then my teacher asked me to apologize and would take nothing else, no explanation.  I could not apologize because I had done nothing wrong. I was defending myself.  out came the leather belt and the lixx began.  she beat me, on and on, but I never apologized.  I cried but I did not apologize.  when she got tired she said 'ok!  outside for you!'  to the water pipes in front of the whole school to humiliate me further, to beat me there.  and freed from my desk and school room I walked straight home., leaving them all there aghast.

she tore the skin off my back in about 5 places, all over my arms.  I bled a lot.  my mother used iodine on my wounds.  my father had to go to the head master to get me back in even though I was the victim.  they forced me to give an apology that was at best half hearted.  from being the perennial#1 student in that class and in the school my form became so so. I never recovered in that school.

what I came to understand subsequently is that that was a planned attack by 2 lesbian teachers, one of whom was also racist..the red skin one.  the complaint was not done after lunch because that is they had met and planned the attack for the next morning.  Mrs Roberts was to come the next morning and complain before the whole class leaving me no room to escape, and no explanation could mitigate my situation. I was the brilliant kid, an uppity black male, the type whom both would have had an antipathy for.  they had to cut me down early and that is what they did.  it was calculated, as deliberate as day.

and that is only the worst humiliation I suffered at the hands of that teacher of mine..and I was in her class successively for 2 straight years..always at the top save the last term after I was beaten down....

you see..from all that and far far more the lessons of experience taught me how humanity actually is...and to piss on the religious cover for human insanity, bestiality, violence, extreme exceptionalism, both national and individual, personaland in the west indies they had it in for people like me who were individual and independent minded from day one, black skin as well as bright enough for that independent nature to matter.

none! no people are exceptional..no human being.  all are nasty and phucked-up, 100% subjective, insecure and grasping, naturally murderous and selfish based on their own separatist and exceptional sense of superiority of them and their kind, relative to the state of development of their exceptionalism at any one time.  that is why we..humanity..are at a precipice just about to fall over...soon! any day now.

that is why we can do insanity all the time..like build nuclear power plants with which any accident can screw the planet and there is nothing we can do about..to build nuclear weapons with which we have come many times to the brink of extinction.  human behavior..always doing insane things from big to small that can kill us with no cure or correction

just look at human life, the way we live, the crimes we commit. some humans made racism for the exact global murderous purposes it has always exacted on humanity.  same way and prior, religion was made, for the same purposes.  everywhere one looks it is one genocide or another.  just look at all humanity has done to itself in order to exploit itself, for wealth and so called security... while at the same time building everything that is anathema to human security.  look at the paradox..we want security yet our behavior threatens all human security 24/7..look at the general cruelty in the world, as natural as the sun comes up, what we do to each other.  all of that is expressive of a sick species, of great and general, collective human trauma. something surely happened early in human existence that traumatized the hell out of humanity, and that that trauma is still with us, has built and contributed to the development of even more trauma, more every day, buried in our collective psyche, passed from one generation to the next, driving us to cruelty and collective suicide, to reproduce that early trauma we have not even acknowledged, far less resolved.  and resolve it must be or we will go over the cliff..any day now

the Jewish people who now run planet earth are the ones most expressive of that early human trauma, the most driven and crazy of all people. collectively they have done the most wickedness of a wicked and crazy  humanity, so much so they cannot afford to lose power because they fear retribution.  they will likely blow up planet earth if and when they are about to lose their power, for fear of  what they have done being done to them. 

I am sure humanity as it is will chew up the Jewish people if and when the tables get turned.  no doubt about that.  so I want to see how we are going to get out of this Jewish dilemma here ::confused:: ::confused::

the Jewish people are losing their power as we speak,  but they have taken the time to amass a great quantity of nuclear weapons and germ warfare than can wipe humanity many times over.  will they or wont they use all of that on humanity...who is willing to take a bet that they wont ::confused:: ::confused::

and what about the Hindu people, conquered and dominated for a long period by Islam, chaffing at their collective bit to dominate in their turn, fully prepared to do, just as others have done in their turn in domination of the world

human historical behavior is traumatic, insane. only general trauma explains it.  we must be put on a couch and checked out.  since there is none but us on the planet capable of doing that we have to put ourselves on a couch.  our existence and life  has produced a social paradox utterly threatening to our survival.  we did it...no extra terrestrial but us.  we did it...and only we can solve it. and to begin we must accept truth about who we are and what we have been through, that has led us to produce the rotten life we live

and such truth  includes India and Hindu crimes against humanity..all the crimes we know of humanity preying on itself ...much as we know of....all the crimes, no exception. 

we are human and so far that is what we do, how we live. we will accept truth as the basis on which all solution must lie or fail in our efforts at survival
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08 Feb 2015 12:15 - 08 Feb 2015 15:13 #239422 by mapoui
at university Ivan Van Sertima tried to commit suicide by drinking poison.  what a loss that would have been. but he survived and prospered.  how he survived would be very interesting indeed, because of his own words in explanation of why he tried to kill himself.

Van Sertima said, THAT THE 'ABSOLUTE WALL OF DEGRADED NOTHING THAT WAS BLACK LIFE IN THE PAST TO NOW,'  HE WAS TAUGHT AS BLACK HISTORY SO DEPRESSED HIM HE DID NOT WANT TO LIVE, INDEED COULD NOT LIVE AT ALL.  'HE WAS FROM THE WORST LIFE HAD TO OFFER, A USELESS PEOPLE WHO NEVER DID ANYTHING IN LIFE AND FROM ALL APPEARANCES WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING WORTHWHILE IN AND FOR LIFE


when Van Sertima woke up someone must have begun to set him right.  hopefully he ran into this personality and the  work he had done up to then.....George G. M. James, who incidentally was also Guyanese as Van Sertima was.  that is the only way Van Sertima could have been saved, by coming into a view of black life that offered him some hope, given him positive perspective on his life and people

Van Sertima himself went on to great scholarly achievement in the reconstruction of that which..the absence of which..almost led to his death. 

but the human cost of such racism is incalculable..anti black racism, a deliberate, calculated attack on all the people of the world, for both racist and and those hated by race, are victims, brutalized in ever way by racism, capable of the most egregious behavior both for and against racism, that humanity can conceive of and effect, driven by racism..a fictitious ideology

the victims who break my heart the most...me a victim myself yet broken hearted over more victims..are the original peoples of settled nations like the USA/Canada, the Caribbean and latin america, Australia and NZ.  look at how extreme it got for such a great personality like Van Sertima, a man of emotional reserves and great intellect...what about those people who were almost erased, living a genocide that continues to this day..same way it has not ended yet for black people

if Vltchek is amiss in  his presentation is lack of emphasis on the need to see genocide as a human problem based in original human trauma, not only in economics etc

that is the same trauma perhaps, observed by the religious exploiters, those who created the concept or original sin that has been so visciously destructive of christians

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08 Feb 2015 12:25 #239424 by mapoui
George G.M James..A Guyanese and west Indian...what is this south american something ::confused::

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_James_%28writer%29

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08 Feb 2015 12:35 #239426 by mapoui
I thought there was going to be a war here........... ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused::

wat happen...kwami disappear into thin air ::confused:: ::confused::

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08 Feb 2015 14:33 #239452 by ketchim
Kwami, like Snoopay are wannabe Comedians and wannabe Cartoon characters !

I am sure they will both achieve this in their nexx Incarnation  ;D

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