Religion....

Another interpretation

The interpretation of the concept of religion has been on a constant change over the years and it's still going to doing so till the end of time if eventually there is anything like that, or we are just being sold crap to.

there is a problem some people have with what they call ' a linear concept of time' that the western dominant man lives by. I don't understand it but then again we do not know all. it is impossible for humans to know all that's going on, that is not possible given the nature of the universe we live in

we come to learn in time..faster if we are focused on a subject or aspect of life trying to understand it.

but my sense is that existence is eternal..that is consciousness in bodies in existence..that all bodies are finite but the process makes propagation so that there is always evolution and bodies that replace existing bodies when their time is up. their is finite and infinite but how

so human time will but will humans evolve into other forms of existence?

we know cell expansion, splitting into parts and recombining to make bigger more complex forms of cells organization.

we know egg laying and by that we can trace Dino into smaller forms like lizards and birds from his Jurassic dominance. so can humans like Dino evolve further? and if so is the evolutionary process possible to understand by humans and possibility control it in application to our own existence and become infinite?

Wallace Thornhill, the great Australian Physicist argues that what is finite cannot become finite.

I don't know if that is so. I do know that we don't know very much about the universe..that human knowledge is still minute compared to what actually is. we simply do not know how the universe began, when it began, how it functions, how old it is..nothing. we have merely scratched the surface of things..and in the process we put obstacles in our own way..like religion.

if religion was open-ended it would have made a little sense. but religion requires from us total belief and immersion into closed systems of thought..systems out of which nothing leads anywhere, to human physical and material progress for the masses in particular, who believe and support these systems

those who lead and control the money in the religions do much better of course. they take the money and put it into opened ended processes that business for profits they can get very, very rich off. all the talk here, all of ketchim's defense of Islam does not take this basic fact of religious practice by humans into constant consideration..THAT THE ELITE OF AND IN ANY RELIGION AT ALL..ALL OF THEM ...ARE VERY RICH, DOING VERY WELL INDEED..THEY AND THEIR FAMILIES...BUT NOT THE POOR, THE FLOCK, WHO PAY THEIR PENNIES ALL THE TIME, THE COMBINATION OF WHICH MAKES THOSE WHO RUN THE RELIGIONS VERY, VERY, VERY RICH

religion is capitalism in its basic economic relations...

capitalism exploits the worker. the worker is paid 20% or less from the 100% of wealth he creates with his labor every day he goes to work the 80% he does not get makes the owner very rich indeed, allows him to finesse the system of exploitation he uses to control the worker, to make sue he comes to work every day and cannot overturn and upset the systems which takes 80% of his labor every single day

out of this labor the church takes tithes from workers which in some cases are heavy amounts out of the 20% the worker manages to get from his labor.

but tithes to pennies in a collection plate..all come together to make the church rich pats of which riches churches use to fund universities and researches that help them to finesse their methods of doctrinal development and indoctrination and mind control of the members of their churches

KETCHIM APPEARS TO FORGET OR IGNORE COMPLETELY THIS REALITY OF RELIGION..THAT THAT IS IN FACT WHAT GOES ON IN ALL CHURCHES AND RELIGION..THAT THE CHURCHES/RELIGIONS WOULD NOT EXIST AT ALL WITHOUT IMPOSING SUCH MIND BENDING AND EMOTIONALLY DISTORTING CONTROL ON THE MASSES OF PEOPLE

If Islam is indeed expanding at a great rate the question is why..what the hell is happening?

if Islam is expanding why are the Jews doing something about it that we would know off..giving that the strength of Islams correspondingly is likely the weakness or weakening of Judaism.

I mean in war there is Hezbollah on the borders of Isreal with thousands of missiles aimed at the heart of that nation. Hezbollah defeated Isreal in their last war with each other and Hezbollah is even stronger now. and what is absolutely worse and horrendous for Isreal is that they lost in Syria and Iraq..the selected main enemy Iran won and now can build up Syria and Hezbollah more..a fact that is a dagger pointed at the heart of the Jews.

that fact and the so-called rise and expansion of Islam in the world should have the Jews freaked out totally by now. the Jews are in fact freaked out in north east Africa called the middle east, about Islams military success..but they are not concerned at all about the expansion of Islam as a religion. why?

Judaism is not afraid of so-called Islamic expansion as a religion at ..as far as I can see. they evince the same attitude to catholics and their church, as they do to Islam. and we know that the Jews in the form of Zionism control all of christianity which includes catholicism

and of course the 'problem' I alluded to about the enemies of Islam having written a lot into the Koran which is anathema to that religion..content that trains muslims to behave bad, atrociously, in the world..note the horrific manner in which Gaddafi was killed openly in the public: eating human hearts in Syria etc. well that part of the Koran..and at times all of the Koran is reputed to have been written by Jews.

if that sin fact true we have a major historical scandal her. and it explains why he Jew/Zionist may not be concerned with the so-called expansion of Islam because the content of the religion works to the discredit of Islam and muslims...and in the end will destroy islam and all muslims

I mean christianity when he burst and split into many parts, produced an internecine violence that still boggles the mind centuries later. yet the christians have settleed their differences to the point that we hardly anticipate a repeat of earlier attrocities anytime soon. the calmness of intra christians relations could quite well be to Zionist control..which no doubt focuses white christianity on the purpose of white euro world control..the New World order...muting christian religious difference and historically based revenge, into issues that all could be dealt with by diplomacy

on the other hand they must max out Islamic differences to the extreme point where they gather up their forces, each to their side and under their vines and fight each other into extinction as social forces of power and influence in world affairs..which would be good for the Jews...and bad for everyone else

and the more Islam expands the bigger the ultimate fight and the more lives will be lost..all in keeping with New World Order plans for global depopulation. it must be maddening to Zionism the way Iran works to mute and transcend Islamic differences..the way it has turned Zionist American attack on Iraq into a muslim win, uniting Sunni and Shia in Iraq, that now makes stronger Iraq in full alliance with Iran..and now Syria, in an arc of power that freaks Isreal out totally

at the end of the day instead of Zionist created Islamic religious division, there is only looming islamic unity across northeast Africa and near Asia. even Turkey has been roped in. and now also even Sunni Pakistan is showing sings of major internal unity and progress under the Chinese OBOR/BRI initiative and construction.

but this is not the expansion ketchim talking about. he is talking about religious expansion..the silly kind fits the Zionist agenda..not the Iranian one inspired by the Chinese/Russian Asian integrationist perspective,based on continental infrastructure connectivity, ensuring prosperity-based peace for all of Asia

all the positive potential and actual construction of roads and seaports, rail lines, airports, dams and electric power generation facilities..all of it that has been reducing contentions all across Asia..has less to do with religion than with Chinese money and determination to build a prosperous Asia

the Chinese are demonstrating that all issues can be peacefully resolved..tat all be can what they want yet still develop materially, taking care of,solving their material needs, leaving resolution of normally intractable issues to time and the development of human knowledge of nature..the truth of existence as we go. you can resolve any dam thing if you are dead, your people dead and dying, and your country is smashed to bits

that is what your enemy wants. that is why he wrote your sacred books in secret so he can manipulate you from afar. that is why in secret he got into muslim countries and organized the rabid Jihadists behind the backs of the people, gave them guns and money to takeover violently and kill, destroy and main all the way..totally destroying muslim countries

Chechnya, Libya, Iraq, Syria..all destroyed. Egypt, Sudan, Morocco, Algeria..all destabilized and under internecine war..same way the Sahel Africa..countries next up the Sahara and the north African Islamic nations..now destabilized by the fall of Gaddafi.

how in the hell can muslims do that to themselves if controlled, led by and financed by a forrin power who has no good interest at all in Islam and muslims..and is using islam to destroy itself. and how can they do that if they did not have a hook in the nose of Islam by which they can tug the Islamic beast in any direction the want?

and what is that hook?

the Koran itself or parts of it..all of which..or parts of which they actually wrote themselves that they can activate to control muslims, to get them to do as they please.

there is more to it of course..like it helps greatly to have a regime in an Islamic country as big and powerful as Saudi..that is totally undemocratic and opposed to all of islam..that the enemy of islam could support. that regime could not survive without such outside support..and with that support could use its great quantities of money to destabilize islam from within

I don't know but that is the way I see it..hardly from a religious angle at all. and it wont be solved by religion until the socialist aspects of the religion becomes dominant and finds expression in popular democracy that addresses the needs of he muslim people

that appears to be what has taken place in Iran and is now spreading to Iraq, Syria..back into Libya which was socialist and successful before the Iranian revolution

me ? very very early I quoted Karl Marx : "Religion is the opium of people "

do you know what the 'opium' analogy means ??????????????

anyone ?