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1954-2013: THE GREATS: SOBERS, RICHARDS, LARA, CHANDERPAUL - Rev Al - 03-15-2013
[size=14pt]OK Folks! The last 60 years in West Indies have been dominated by 4 batting greats: Sobers, Richards, Lara, and Chanderpaul. The Sobers era lasted from 1954 to 1974; the Richards era lasted from 1975 to 1991; the Lara era lasted from 1992 to 2006; and the Chanderpaul is fairly new---it begun in January 2007, after Lara retired, and it is now in it's 7th year.[/size]
HERE ARE THE AVERAGES OF THE WI GREATS FROM THE DIFFERENT ERAS:
57.78----Sobers(93 tests)---1954-1974
50.23----Richards(121 tests)---1974-1991
52.88----Lara(131 tests)---1991-2006
69.82----Chanderpaul(he has played in 46 tests since Jan 2007).
The Shiv Chanderpaul era has just started----he needs to play and dominate WI batting another 5 years.
But there you have it----WI cricket broken up into 4 eras the past 60 years----with the batting greats in those eras being Sobers, Richards, Lara and Chanderpaul.
Rev
Re: 1954-2013: THE GREATS: SOBERS, RICHARDS, LARA, CHANDERPAUL - Mail - 03-15-2013
TBH, You have put me off Shiv with your crap.
Shiv is not a game changer.
I would not say he bats for himself but he does not take the context of the game in his game plan.
Shiv has been a destructive batsman but he will never be great.
Statistically his numbers are up there but, really, how many times did his efforts lead to a win?
I am mindful Shiv has been part of a losing team in the latter part of his career when all around him was falling but others, like Lara, has made more of a difference.
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Re: 1954-2013: THE GREATS: SOBERS, RICHARDS, LARA, CHANDERPAUL - chairman - 03-15-2013
i see shiv as one of the greats. long live shiv
Re: 1954-2013: THE GREATS: SOBERS, RICHARDS, LARA, CHANDERPAUL - Rev Al - 03-15-2013
[quote author=Mail link=topic=78244.msg488307#msg488307 date=1363383228]
Shiv has been a destructive batsman but he will never be great.
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You are entitled to your opinion and the Rev is entitled to his.
[size=12pt]I am sure Shiv's detractors like you can present dozens of reasons why Shiv is not a great---but supporters of Shiv like the Rev can also present dozens of reasons why Shiv is a great.[/size]
Go and visit the shivisgreat.com website.
By the way Mail Man, did you know that for batsmen who have scored a minimum of 2000 runs at the different batting positions----Shiv has the 3rd highest average at the #5 batting position----and the highest average at the #6 batting position ? Go check it out.
ANOTHER TIDBIT:
Did you know that for West Indian batsmen who have scored 2000 runs in the different batting positions----Shiv has the highest average at 2 batting positions---#5 and #6 ?
Listen!
[size=14pt]Shiv may not be great in your narrow mind---but in the beautiful mind of the Rev---Shiv is a great batsman.[/size]
Rev
Re: 1954-2013: THE GREATS: SOBERS, RICHARDS, LARA, CHANDERPAUL - Rev Al - 03-15-2013
[quote author=The Chairman link=topic=78244.msg488308#msg488308 date=1363383347]
i see shiv as one of the greats. long live shiv
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For most West Indians only Lara, Viv, Sobers and 3Ws can great batsmen---these losers are entitled to their prejudice against Shiv being a great batsman.
[size=12pt]For enlightened Shiv supporters like you Chairman Krishna---Shiv has earned the distinction of being regarded as a great batsman.[/size][color=red]
THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE.
Link: Shiv's world record and other stats over at shivisgreat stats page
Rev
1954-2013: THE GREATS: SOBERS, RICHARDS, LARA, CHANDERPAUL - chairman - 04-20-2020
shiv is a great. you are correct REV AL