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MAPPIPPEE,
Where do you see Vivian sitting in the context of great Windian batsmen?
As you know I have no time for him from my personal experience of meeting him and being around him.
I will never dispute his good abilities on the field of play especially as a batsman but his character makes him ordinary for me.....
He is not a West Indian like you MAPPIPPEE.
Compared to Sir Frank, he has the biggest inferiority complex of all........
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Viv is not a great brain but he is able. he can cope well with the world.
to know Viv you have to have an idea of Antigua. those people did not have it easy at all socially. they had a brutal dictatorship of struggling sugar planters that preyed on them, treated them all how.
and Antigua is not Trinidad....Trinidad is larger, the former administrative focus of the empire in the region, with, relatively speaking, lots of facilities, food, opportunities, money and more into the world than the Dots...colonial backwaters really. the experienced they internalised is not what Trinnys internalized. it was much less..still is a lot less..as is exposed by their state after their 'independence'
I take what they have achieved despite that heritage and history as pretty good. they have nothing there but sun and sand..tourism and not a nice one at all. they are basically for sale and a succession of rich white men have had that island as satrap in succession..the last being the one they put in jail in the USA.
relatively speaking Viv and dem are ok! as personalities...all of them we know as cricketers and others. don't judge them by our standards. tuff as our conditions were they had it harder..still have it hard. and as per their reality they were poorly lead then as they are now
shaped by that experience Viv is fine! I have no problem with him. just don't look for Worrell from him. he does not have that in him...cant have that in him. he was never so exposed or experienced to produce anything of the sort. but as it has been he is fine relatively speaking
MAPPIPPEE,
Where do you see Vivian sitting in the context of great Windian batsmen?
As you know I have no time for him from my personal experience of meeting him and being around him.
I will never dispute his good abilities on the field of play especially as a batsman but his character makes him ordinary for me.....
He is not a West Indian like you MAPPIPPEE.
Compared to Sir Frank, he has the biggest inferiority complex of all........
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Viv is not a great brain but he is able. he can cope well with the world.
to know Viv you have to have an idea of Antigua. those people did not have it easy at all socially. they had a brutal dictatorship of struggling sugar planters that preyed on them, treated them all how.
and Antigua is not Trinidad....Trinidad is larger, the former administrative focus of the empire in the region, with, relatively speaking, lots of facilities, food, opportunities, money and more into the world than the Dots...colonial backwaters really. the experienced they internalised is not what Trinnys internalized. it was much less..still is a lot less..as is exposed by their state after their 'independence'
I take what they have achieved despite that heritage and history as pretty good. they have nothing there but sun and sand..tourism and not a nice one at all. they are basically for sale and a succession of rich white men have had that island as satrap in succession..the last being the one they put in jail in the USA.
relatively speaking Viv and dem are ok! as personalities...all of them we know as cricketers and others. don't judge them by our standards. tuff as our conditions were they had it harder..still have it hard. and as per their reality they were poorly lead then as they are now
shaped by that experience Viv is fine! I have no problem with him. just don't look for Worrell from him. he does not have that in him...cant have that in him. he was never so exposed or experienced to produce anything of the sort. but as it has been he is fine relatively speaking
