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Obama picks drug fighting diplomat as new Ambassador to Guyana

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10 Aug 2014 23:38 #206335 by Kwami
From de days that I was A student  up to now , every time that I am invited to white people parties  there  are always lines of cocaine available and to suggest that white  people will eradicate cocaine  use is just absurd

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11 Aug 2014 10:33 #206368 by ketchim
Cocaine ....lines and lines of it is mainstream in the USA ....

Afghanistan MUST supply this HABIT.

Read between the " Lines" , Livvy  ;)

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11 Aug 2014 10:42 #206376 by Googley
I need to call up Barrack....he gave my job away :P

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11 Aug 2014 15:04 - 11 Aug 2014 15:10 #206470 by Livvy

No, nothing personal. Why would you think it was? I merely debunked what you said. The Taliban banned the growth of Opium for one year, but before that it was at an all time high, and now they're actively supporting the Opium farmers. Understand that? The head of the Taliban at the time outlawed it for one year. Before that, the Taliban, for seven years, were at the head of the Opium farming and distribution. Since 2008, they've been once again at the head of the Opium farming and distribution. So yeah, the Taliban are the ones doing this.

How on earth did you get the idea that I'm taking this personally because I stated facts? Or do you dispute what I'm saying?

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11 Aug 2014 15:12 #206474 by ketchim

Wrong ! ...the american controlled regime is in Charge of Opium production....shipped to the USA on Army carriers !

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11 Aug 2014 15:13 #206475 by mapoui

you accomplished no such thing by what you posted.  look again at what you said compared to what I did.

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12 Aug 2014 22:42 #206758 by Livvy

No, it isn't wrong. From approximately 1989 (which is when America stopped supporting them in their war against the Russians FYI) Afghanistan turned to Opium in order to make money. If you know your history, you'll spot 1989 as being a very important year for America and Russia. It was the end of the Cold War.

There had always been Opium farms in Afghanistan, yes, but now that America wasn't helping them out as much, they relied more and more upon the Opium trade. In the years prior, from, again approximately, 1980, the Opium trade had moved from Pakistan to Afghanistan due to a crackdown by the Pakistani government.

From 1989 to 1999, which was ten years under Taliban rule, there as a bumper crop of Opium. 4,500 metric tons was shipped out in 1999 alone.

Do you contest these as not being true?

I did though. You claimed that the Taliban, when they took over, eradicated the Opium trade. This is factually incorrect. When the Taliban took over, the Opium trade went up in Afghanistan, not down.

However in July 2000 the Taliban did outlaw the sale, and production of Opium. However, before that, as I just said, the Opium trade out of Afghanistan, which again, was ruled by the Taliban at the time, was at an all time high. Do you contest this?

I want to get a firm grip on the facts which you are attempting to say are wrong. So please, lay out, in detail, what you believe is wrong about what I have said. Is it that the Taliban increased the Opium trade from the 1980s until 2001? Is it that the Taliban is still majorly involved in the Opium trade? Please, give me a detailed explanation of what you believe is incorrect in what I am saying.

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12 Aug 2014 23:16 #206765 by mapoui

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan

what is Taliban control during the opium trade years from 1989..its nature ::confused::
explain that then.  the eliminated it when they could. 

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13 Aug 2014 00:42 #206772 by Livvy

Explain what exactly? Sorry, but I simply cannot understand what you're asking me to explain.

Further, let me get this straight. You want to say, after linking to that page, that the Taliban eliminated it when they could. This then implies that you're saying that they were against it before that banning, but could only actively take a stand against it in 2000?

Did you then skip the section directly above the one you're quoting? You know, the one which states, during the Warlord Period, 1989-1994, "various Mujahideen factions started fighting against each other for power. With the discontinuation of Western support, they resorted ever more to poppy cultivation to finance their military existence." The Mujahideen, if you didn't know, would go on to become, drum roll please, The Taliban!

So the Taliban, before they were even called that, resorted to poppy cultivation to finance their military existence in 1989. You just quoted that exact paragraph from Wikipedia, so you can't deny this. Do you know how Opium is made? Here's a hint. It's made from drying poppies. As is heroin.

And then in the same paragraph you quoted, is the line, "During the Taliban rule, Afghanistan saw a bumper opium crop of 4,500 metric tons in 1999". Gee, I wonder if these Mujahideen, who became the Taliban, who were relying upon farming poppies, which is what you use to create Opium and Heroin, might have had a hand in the bumper crop of opium under their rule.

Or do you think it was just a total coincidence that this group who were growing poppies in order to fund their military existence also just happened to start running a country which saw record breaking levels of opium production?

So please, tell me in detail, what you're finding hard to understand here. You're saying that the Taliban outlawed the production of Opium. You then went ahead and quoted the paragraph from Wikipedia which says the exact opposite. What are you trying to argue here?

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13 Aug 2014 06:40 #206791 by mapoui
chairman you can like anything if you like that.

defense of the americans is crap..bullshit.  in the process the taliban  achieved a massive positive for the world by eradicating opion production.  their effort is not to be appraoched form a negative angle, making them look guilty for doing soemthing positive.

you know what that is..like killing a black man for no reason by the cops then putting thr deam man on trial by dissecting his life paing bits and pieces bad to make him responsibel for his own murder.  it was justified kiiling the innoncet man because he derseved.

thats the jackass principle here.  the Taliban did a service to humanity for which they must be commended not put on trial for their good work.

the american government grew the poppies before and after in afghanistan, tried to poison Russia with it wtih a concentrated focus that required massive effort to stanch.  the american government developed crack cocaine for the poor, introduced it into the usa through Compton California which was investigated and exposed by by that investigative reporter whom the CIA/FBI hounded to death for his good work.

the american government has been relentless in the drug trade from its inception to now.  they are indeed the very drug trade they are supposed to be fighting.  the war on drugs is actually a war for drugs, a  means of protecting the illegal drug industry not fighting it.

there has never been an eradicative effort by the americans in the drug trade like the Taliban eradication of their poppy fields.  there has never even been an apology for the massive human destruction that continues unabated by the american drug trade.

it is the heights not only of deceit, of hypocrisy, of twisting the truth to blame others for crime the american government commit..the heights of lying stupidity to come now and speak of taliban complicity in drug trade before they eradicated it.

why must you like that chairman.  it is the most stupid and riduclous, bad-minded something in the world by someone who we may consider an ordinary person who is indeed the target group by all this illegal drug activity.  the poster is self destructive defending the indefensible

the poster is nasty minded like Obama who every time he opens his mouth is to tell some evil facilitating lie.  satan minds that is what speaks here... and there where Obama elucidates

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