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19 May 2015 21:06 #256605 by ketchim
Buddhism ?

Islam took a good hold of Both Countries....for quite a few Centuries !

Khan was a Genghis and so was Kublai  ::LOL::

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20 May 2015 01:50 - 20 May 2015 09:58 #256609 by mapoui
in a war Indian cant beat China...but what does that mean?

It means that China would sustain a truly bloody nose in the process that would spoil its face...so war should be factored out unless China leaves India no alternative. 

China will not do that unless a Chinese elite along the way, goes nuts like the current hubristic western elites. and even they all of a sudden appear to have deciphered the 'Silk Roads' tea leaves.

that leaves the the mess the Raj left that Ketchin cites that can and will yield to self interest of both sides.  and the dispute runs through what are national entities themselves that would like to form and live their own independent ways..

I believe over time and the rise of the 'silk roads;  those issues..indeed all issues will resolve themselves in the general rise of prosperity, Asian strength vs the current empire.... the truly destabilizing factor which itself is in decline, losing its strength and capability, its reach, to create trouble in the world

the 'silk roads' contain the potential to transform asia in ways that will destabilize the current elites..and they understand this, yet proceeds.  such movement is the only way they can defeat the empire so they have no choice but to proceed anyway. 

the roads will bring general prosperity and social security by which I mean the safety of the people from routine attack and draconian exploitation, the rise of general education and spread of routine high technology applied to life.

in that security and raising of living standards lies the revolution too...which will take the people all the way. just watch if we live long enough. but succeeding generations will carry through the revolution

my major concern is the sweeping effect and impact the 'silk roads' movement  can have on the empire that can loosen its fingers around African throats..and that the african must be ready to pry the weakening western fingers off, and do their own thing.

self interest commands that Asia follow a certain path that we see evolving, or the empire will prevail and their 'new world order' will dominate. 

that NWO will be hell on earth and physical elimination for all the people save the Jews/Anglo Saxon elite of the elite, at the heart of the NWO.  their ponzi financial system needs the NWO to expand in a totalitarian way to every corner of the world...then ultimately, vast population reduction to save their class domination of the planet.

and if there is no such totalitarian draconian exploitative expansion the empire recoils and declines into irrelevance.  which is what the human species need in order to survive. 

the one question prevailing question is 'if in defeat the empire will push the button.."our way or no way for the world ::confused::"

Asia must unite by way of the two big powers Russia/China merging in ways that defeats the empire. that is the self interested action essential to defeating the NWO..and that is what we can see happening if we can look and see

I look at it without any idealistic eyes save where idealism coincides with survival and morphs into saving political/economic action
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20 May 2015 02:07 - 20 May 2015 13:10 #256610 by mapoui
the empire...its heart which is Zion and Anglo Saxony - the english speaking centre of America/England/Canada/Australia/New Zealand, with a reluctant and effete western Asia in tow..cannot defeat the Russians and Chinese with the Brics in tow.

Western Asia, a varied language group not english and held in thrall and inferiority by the english, occupied by them directly particularly Germany, really would like to join up the Silk Road, are logical parts of it geographically.  they will bolt from Zio Anglo Saxony as soon as they get opportunity.

Germany would dearly love to end the English/American military occupation of their country..and of western Asia as a whole. 

the silk Roads are paths out of that. those roads will kill western military occupation everywhere for it will kill the extractive financial process the empire has imposed on the world that feeds their military machine.

what they are doing by Kerry in Russia to speak with Putin, is a last ditch effort to absorb the Asian elites into the NWO project, to bribe and corrupt them into futility.  that is what they know how to do to control people/nations and their leaders...corruption/corrupt, bribe then.

and if that does not work overthrow them and put in place a puppet that would do their bidding. and if that does not work then WAR and invasion.

so we may have our third world war anyway..if the empire refuses to accept its defeat while it still can.  but defeated it certainly will be...already is.
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20 May 2015 06:32 #256618 by Kwami
at the point of a sword

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20 May 2015 11:45 #256661 by ketchim
For the rest of you Folks  ;)


Thirty Muslim high officials served the court of Kublai Khan.

Eight of the dynasty's twelve administrative districts had Muslim governors appointed by Kublai Khan.

Among the Muslim governors was Sayyid Ajjal Shams al-Din Omar, who became administrator of Yunnan.

He was a well learned man in the Confucian and Taoist traditions and is believed to have propagated Islam in China. :-*

Other administrators were Nasr al-Din (Yunnan) and Mahmud Yalavach (mayor of the Yuan capitol).

Kublai Khan patronized Muslim scholars and scientists, and Muslim astronomers contributed to the construction of the observatory

Astronomers such as Jamal ad-Din introduced 7 new instruments and concepts that allowed the correction of the Chinese calendar :-*

Muslim cartographers made accurate maps of all the nations along the Silk Road and greatly influenced the knowledge of Yuan dynasty rulers and merchants.

Muslim physicians organized hospitals and had their own institutes of Medicine in Beijing and Shangdu.

In Beijing was the renown Guang Hui Si (Department of extensive mercy) where Hui medicine and surgery were taught,

Ibn Sina's works were also published in China during that period.

Muslim mathematicians introduced Euclidean Geometry, Spherical trigonometry and Arabic numerals in China.[72]

Kublai brought siege engineers Ismail and Al al-Din to China, and together they invented the "Muslim trebuchet" (Hui-Hui Pao),  8)

which was utilized by Kublai Khan during the Battle of Xiangyang.



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20 May 2015 11:57 #256669 by ketchim
Similarly Muslim architecture and other advanced movements towards Civilisation :

was instituted during Muslim rule of India before the British Raj looted !

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20 May 2015 13:42 #256738 by mapoui
what is this..Jihad ::confused::

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20 May 2015 13:45 #256740 by ketchim
kwami bigging up India conquering China via religion of Buddha .


Just setting de Record straight .....

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07 Jun 2016 15:28 #307386 by ketchim

The are going under the River route !

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07 Jun 2016 16:45 #307389 by mapoui
boy I trying to ketch myself here for the past 2 hours.  I went way too long without food. I hope I have not sprained my brains permanently here.  I feel all messed up.

I am a lunatic yes.  but I cyar eat the crap on the road,  DAT makes it bettah fuh ah bit but worse later orn.

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