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Orr was greater than The Great One:Steve Simmons' Top 10 NHL players of all time

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27 Dec 2016 21:43 #330336 by Alien
Orr was greater than The Great One: Steve Simmons' Top 10 NHL players of all time

BY STEVE SIMMONS, TORONTO SUN
MONDAY, DECEMBER 26, 2016 08:00 PM EST


TORONTO — One hundred years.

What a time to be celebrating all that is and has been National Hockey League talent.

It starts, as all hockey lists must start, with Bobby Orr and Wayne Gretzky. Best defenceman ever. Best forward ever.

They aren’t one and two as much as they are 1 and 1a. And the debate is like all great sporting debates — there is no definitive answer as to who has been the best player in NHL history. That’s a personal choice, based on age and opinion and all kinds of biases and how you view the game and whatever prisms you might happen to view the sport through.

Both changed the game. Both played at a level we have never seen before. Both accomplished statistically and artistically what no one had been able to do before or since.

I feel fortunate to have been watching the NHL for the past 50-plus years, first as a fan, then as a reporter, fortunate to have been working games for the past 36 years, to have been allowed to stay up late to watch George Armstrong shoot the puck into an empty net to ensure the celebration on the last Maple Leafs championship, to watch the league grow from six to 12 teams and in my working time from 21 to 30.

The assignment here was simple, yet complicated: Come up with a list of the Top 10 NHL players ever. My list. One hundred players from one hundred seasons. Come up with 10 even though the game has changed, the rules have changed, coaching has changed, goaltending has changed, the eras being so different from one another.

In the end, I asked a lot of questions of a lot of people: coaches, general managers, former players, former executives, writers, broadcasters. I wanted their views to help me shape mine. In the end, it worked this way: 60 players were selected from the post-expansion era; 40 players from 1967 and before that.

Of the 10 players listed, I’ve seen  them play, some of them late in their careers. This list came together by asking the basic question: Who was the better player? And who had the better career?

It is hair splitting at times. It is agonizing and challenging. Is it Brad Park or Paul Coffey? Borje Salming or Brian Leetch? Patrick Roy or Dominik Hasek?

Who was better? Bobby Hull or Rocket Richard? Bryan Trottier or Bobby Clarke? Pierre Pilote or Tim Horton? Jonathan Toews or Dave Keon? And where do you rank them?

The list isn’t perfect, but it’s mine: The Top 10 in this, the 100th season of NHL hockey. Ladies and gentleman, start your arguments.

1. Bobby Orr, D
1966-1979 | Boston, Chicago

657 games played; 270 goals; 645 assists; 915 points

Could do everything and then something you’ve never seen before while changing the way the game was played. A combination of speed, power, toughness and offensive brilliance we will never witness again.



2. Wayne Gretzky, C
1979-1999 | Edmonton, Los Angeles, St. Louis, New York

1,487-894-1,963-2,857

Appropriately known as The Great One, no one will ever match his impossible, incredible scoring numbers.

3. Mario Lemieux, C
1984-2006 | Pittsburgh

915-690-1,033-1,723

The most extreme combination of size and talent in hockey history.

4. Gordie Howe, RW
1946-1971; 1979-80 | Detroit, Hartford

1,767-801-1,049-1,850

Mr. Hockey. The name and the numbers say it all.

5. Jean Beliveau, C
1950-1971 | Montreal

1,125-507-712-1,219

The hockey player’s hockey player, skilled, smooth, full of grace and universally beloved.

6. Maurice Richard, RW
1942-1960 | Montreal

978-544-421-965

The Rocket — the first 50-goal scorer was an iconic Montreal figure and a 14-time all-star.

7. Bobby Hull, LW
1957-1972; 1979-1980 | Chicago, Winnipeg, Hartford

1,063-610-560-1,170

The most electrifying player in history; everything he did, including the booming slap shot, seemed somehow larger than life.

8. Doug Harvey, D
1948-1964; 1967-1969 | Montreal, New York, Detroit, St. Louis

1,113-88-452-540

In an 11-year period in his prime, Harvey was a first team all-star 10 times and a seven-time Norris Trophy winner.

9. Guy Lafleur, RW
1971-1985; 1988-1991 | Montreal, New York, Quebec

1,126-560-793-1,353

The most beautiful player we’ve ever seen in so many different ways.

10. Sidney Crosby, C
2005-present | Pittsburgh

736-362-614-976

Fifth in history in points per game in an era where scoring is oh so challenging.

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27 Dec 2016 21:51 - 28 Dec 2016 19:56 #330337 by Alien
1. Bobby Orr, D
1966-1979 | Boston, Chicago

2. Wayne Gretzky, C
1979-1999 | Edmonton, Los Angeles, St. Louis, New York

3. Mario Lemieux, C
1984-2006 | Pittsburgh

4. Gordie Howe, RW
1946-1971; 1979-80 | Detroit, Hartford


5. Jean Beliveau, C
1950-1971 | Montreal


7. Bobby Hull, LW
1957-1972; 1979-1980 | Chicago, Winnipeg, Hartford

9. Guy Lafleur, RW
1971-1985; 1988-1991 | Montreal, New York, Quebec

I was fortunate to see the above play in person. I was a Montreal Canadiens fan .

The number one was Bobby Orr . He was a player way ahead of all.

The Classiest was Jean Beliveau, an amazing leader of players .

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27 Dec 2016 22:01 - 28 Dec 2016 19:53 #330341 by Alien

Honorable mention....

Gilbert Perreault, C

1970-1987 | Buffalo

1,191-512-814-1,326

Leader of the famed French Connection, few have dazzled in the exciting manner in which he did.



Marcel Dionne, C

1971-1989 | Los Angeles, Detroit, N.Y. Rangers

1,348-731-1,040-1,771

In the Little Beaver’s three best seasons, he scored 130, 137 and 133 points, consecutively.

Serge Savard, D

1966-1983 | Montreal, Winnipeg

1,040-106-333-439

Scotty Bowman ranks him among the best defencemen to ever play.

Larry Robinson, D

1968-1992 | Montreal, Los Angeles

1,384-208-750-958

Combined size, strength, skill and smarts for more than two decades.

Denis Potvin, D

1973-1988 | N.Y. Islanders

1,060-310-742-1,052

Did everything. Scored 85 points from the back end in four straight Stanley Cup wins by the Islanders.

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28 Dec 2016 08:13 #330366 by myballfield
he is wrong gretsky is the greatest.

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28 Dec 2016 11:08 #330399 by Alien

I saw both players . Orr was the complete hockey player .

Gretzsky needed Semenko

Orr had no such player for protection .A defenceman by position he was the one leading the attack .
Check out the video posted above . The complete player . It's unfortunate that knee injuries ended his
career early .

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28 Dec 2016 19:14 #330504 by Alien


The only centre I admired greatly was Bobby Clarke . He played for Philadelphia Flyers .

He was a diabetic , must have been tough to play hockey .

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29 Dec 2016 18:29 #330635 by chairman
Gretskyyyy all the way

Always tell someone how you feel because opportunities are lost in the blink of an eye but regret can last a lifetime.
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29 Dec 2016 21:04 #330661 by Alien

Borse got to disagree , Gretzky played his game . We shall see other such players

Bobby Orr did what no other defenceman did and we will never see such again .
He changed the game .

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