>

Slave Mentality Still Exists

  • Nargis
  • Topic Author
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
12 Dec 2012 16:00 #114374 by Nargis
Who's looking out for Tim Hortons' temporary foreign workers?
  • 0

Erik Flores came to Canada full of optimism that his new job at a Tim Hortons franchise near Regina would open doors to a "beautiful life."
Instead, the 21-year-old from Mexico says he found himself walking to work in the snow and living in a basement with five other Mexican men.
The job at Tim Hortons didn't work out, and today he is waiting for a work permit under Saskatchewan's provincial nominee program. The whole experience, he says, left him feeling used and exploited.

As more and more Canadian employers, ranging from fast-food outlets to skilled trades, turn to temporary foreign workers like Flores, questions are being raised over who is making sure the immigrants are treated fairly while they're in the country.
"Many of these migrant workers who are coming in for work, who are often desperate for work, are put in incredibly vulnerable situations where exploitation, abuse, dangerous, unsafe working conditions are actually too often the norm for their situation," says Karl Flecker, national director of anti-racism and human rights for the Canadian Labour Congress. "I think that most Canadians would be really disturbed to find out the kinds of working conditions people from so many countries are finding themselves in despite promises that they had heard from labour brokers and recruiters."

Timmies

Flores' experience, which has caught the attention of the Saskatchewan Federation of Labour, isn't the only recent one focusing on Tim Hortons, the ubiquitous Canadian brand that serves doughnuts and double-doubles from coast to coast.

The chain's use of temporary foreign workers hit the headlines earlier this year when four Mexican workers launched a human rights complaint against the former owner of two restaurants in Dawson Creek, B.C., alleging their boss exploited and discriminated against them.
Alexandra Cygal, manager of public affairs for Tim Hortons Inc., says the company was only made aware of the allegations through the media.
"We just received the formal complaint today and we will fully co-operate with the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal as they review these allegations against our former owner," she wrote in an email to CBC News on Dec. 6.

Cygal did not respond to questions seeking the company's response to the specific allegations, but has said the company doesn't condone any of the behaviours alleged in the Dawson Creek complaint.
Eugene Kung, a lawyer with the B.C. Public Interest Advocacy Centre who is representing the four workers, says that since filing the complaint, several temporary foreign workers and community members from B.C. to P.E.I. have contacted him to express similar concerns, mostly about Tim Hortons.

Not as expected

In Flores' case, he thought he knew how things were going to turn out.
"The lawyers and everything — they just told me the [business] owner was going to take care of everything … until we get the first cheque."
But, says Flores, it didn't work out that way.

He found out there were no arrangements for getting back and forth from work and he ended up walking in the snow or paying out of pocket for a taxi. His accommodation was in the home of a friend of the Tim Hortons franchise owner in White City, Sask. Flores says the owner took him to his friend's house, where he eventually found himself sharing the basement with five other foreign workers.

Flores and the other temporary foreign workers, all from Mexico, shared three bedrooms and had no food preparation facilities beyond a microwave and bar fridge. They couldn't shower between midnight and six a.m., he says. Rent charges varied between $500 and $600 per month.
The living arrangements left him feeling "really bad" and "upset about the treatment."

His working environment didn't work out as he hoped, either. There was confusion over money, including holiday pay. A day after someone told his boss he ate a Timbit in the Tim Hortons kitchen, Flores says the boss told him "your contract is done."
Cygal says the Saskatchewan government's Labour Standards Division reviewed the matter.

"There was a discrepancy in payroll between what [the franchise owner] thought he owed the employees on their final paycheque and what the pay should have been due to holidays. [The franchise owner] resolved that issue immediately," Cygal wrote in an email to CBC News.
"The rest of the allegations were against the employees’ landlord and not [the franchise owner.]"

Attempts to reach the franchise owner through his store were unsuccessful. CBC News was told by staff in the restaurant that the owner was aware of the inquiries, and that he directed any further questions to Cygal.

Greg Tuer, executive director of the Labour Standards Division for the government of Saskatchewan, says it received complaints regarding a Tim Hortons franchise regarding illegal deductions.

"We had an officer go out, speak to the franchisee. We did find that there were inappropriate deductions — though that has been dealt with. The employer readily made whole, and so from a labour standards perspective the issue is closed."

Proud Canadian brand

Tim Hortons "is a company that a lot of Canadians identify with and it is very proudly a Canadian brand," says Howard Ramos, an associate professor of sociology at Dalhousie University in Halifax.

"But it's also a company that is a pioneer in hiring temporary foreign workers and so for this reason I think it's important to highlight Tim Hortons as an exemplar of how the temporary foreign worker program has changed and expanded."

Cygal says Hortons doesn't have numbers of temporary foreign workers employed at its restaurants.

But in an email to CBC News, she said that many of the company's restaurants wouldn't be able to operate full time or remain open without the temporary foreign worker program.

Franchisees prefer to hire locally rather "than to go to the expense and administrative needs of hiring temporary foreign workers," but turn to the program after they have "exhausted all other avenues" to fill vacancies, Cygal wrote.

Cygal said Tim Hortons and its restaurant owners "have had a very strong employment record since we started the Temporary Foreign Worker program.

"We have a rigorous screening process for employment agencies and partners abroad and our restaurant owners employ such rigor in their hiring and employment practices.

"We continue to feel good about the process we have in place so that together with our owners, Tim Hortons can continue offering a strong working environment for temporary foreign workers and all of our teams."
In 2008, a representative of Tim Hortons' licensing company, TDL Group Inc., told the federal citizenship and immigration committee that the company had more than 600 temporary foreign workers at stores across Canada, with another 400 arriving later in the year.

"So the number is going to continually increase," Chris Thomas told the committee.

Cygal told CBC News that Tim Hortons could not update these numbers.
Numbers increasing

As Tim Hortons is showing, Canada's temporary foreign worker program has become much more than a way to bring in seasonal agricultural help to pick peaches or cherries.

Across the country, more and more temporary foreign workers are employed in occupations ranging from fast food to skilled trades. Figures from CIC show that the number of temporary foreign workers in Canada grew from 186,753 in 2001 to 446,847 in 2011.

As the program is defined, it is intended for employers to fill short-term labour or skill shortages after they have shown they are unable to find Canadians or permanent residents to do the jobs.

"While labour force needs vary by region and sector, some regions of the country are facing acute labour shortages in certain sectors, and overall demand in the TFWP continues to grow," Citizenship and Immigration Canada said in an email to CBC News.

This year's federal budget included plans to "to better align the temporary foreign worker program with labour market demands, and to ensure that businesses look to the domestic labour force before hiring temporary foreign workers, while also improving efficiency and responsiveness to labour market demands," the department said.
Economic boost or drag?

Still, while the federal government and many businesses see the program as a vital way to address labour shortages, others suggest it leaves workers open to exploitation and ultimately creates a drag on the Canadian economy.

"This is a public policy that … basically floods the bottom end of the wage pool. And that's bad for the labour market as a whole," says Armine Yalnizyan, senior economist with the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives.

"The only people who are willing to do this work at those wage rates are people who are willing to live three, four and five people within an apartment," she says, adding Canada shouldn't "import a third world quality of life."

Dalhousie's Ramos says the program has a number of major flaws, the most significant being that "temporary foreign workers don't have the same rights as permanent residents or Canadians."
The program creates an "underclass" of people, he says, because it allows temporary foreign workers to be paid less than Canadians doing the same job.

"This means that that they're not going to be able to have the same earning power and at the same time are often working in marginal jobs as is demonstrated through a number of people who are hired in the service sector."

'Just like you and I'

Michael Niren, a Toronto immigration lawyer, says that the B.C. Tim Hortons story, which involves allegations that have not been proven, was "pretty shocking" because under new federal compliance guidelines, once foreign workers are admitted to Canada, "they're supposed to be treated just like you and I."


"I'm not a fan so much of what the government has done with respect to immigration regulations in the last year or two, but when it comes to the temporary foreign worker program, I do commend them in their efforts in making sure that Canadian employers do comply with employment standards and I think they've done a really good job," says Niren.
But he sees a "chronic problem" around "middlemen," the local immigration consultants or recruiters who are hired as agents in foreign countries to try to bring workers to Canada.
"The middleman is where it's really, really difficult to police."
Citizenship and Immigration Canada said in an email response to CBC News that it is "unacceptable" for Canadian employers to exploit or mistreat workers, regardless of their nationality or occupation, and that the federal government takes the issues of exploitation and mistreatment within the program "very seriously."
Provinces and territories are primarily responsible for enforcing labour standards, but this year's federal budget bill also included legislative provisions for inspections of employers to verify compliance with requirements of the temporary foreign workers program.
In April 2011, several new regulations also came into place, including one allowing the federal government to designate employers as ineligible to take part in the temporary foreign worker program.
So far, though, no ineligible employers are listed on the CIC website.
With files from The Canadian Press

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
12 Dec 2012 16:28 #114375 by ketchim
Anyone who buys Coffee from Tim Hortons  :

is enslaved  :blank:

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
12 Dec 2012 16:59 #114376 by chairman
Lol

Always tell someone how you feel because opportunities are lost in the blink of an eye but regret can last a lifetime.
cricketwindies.com/forum/

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
12 Dec 2012 18:03 #114381 by ketchim
Its true ...People slavishly line up their cars a mile long at the drive by counter :

and arrive at work late.

Tim Horton ( rest in peace)  formerly a Canada hockey star :

now sees itself as a Slave plantation owner 

evidenced by this attitude to its immigrant employees 

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Nargis
  • Topic Author
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
12 Dec 2012 18:42 #114383 by Nargis
I line up like a trained pavlovs dog every morning.  if there was another place that had great coffee and a drivethru with a debit machine - i would go there.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • mapoui
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
12 Dec 2012 18:54 #114384 by mapoui


like in your own home for example..... :huh: ?


its not hard.  deh got coffee machines that work wonderfully for less than 20 dollars....


the paper filters are a million for a dollar or 2.


the got excellent water filters for less than a 100 dollars.  Tim Horton does not filter water...


and you can get your coffee from the west indies, super market or from Horton too....


but you are so well trained its prolly impossible to introduce a lill independence in yours now eg ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes::

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • mapoui
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
12 Dec 2012 18:59 #114385 by mapoui
i get my coffee from titty.  i have arranged for some from jamaica in february


delicious.  i brew my own every day now.  phuck tim hortons :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:


i make my own chai teas.  i bought a water filter..a new one that takes out flouride as well.


oh gord a lil' fight back would be nice.  i refuse to line up for anything at all, anywhere. and any time i can do my own thing i do it.  screw the system

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Time to create page: 0.229 seconds
JulieEngland cricket icon Robin Smith has passed away at the age of 62.(03.12.2025, 20:30)(20:30)0
JulieFormer Jets and Commanders WR Laveranues Coles completed nine months of training at the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office Academy and will officially become an officer after his probationary period ?(02.12.2025, 14:36)(14:36)0
JulieHeartbreaking to hear of the passing of former England cricketer Robin Smith ?

Our thoughts are with his friends and family at this difficult time ?

Rest in peace, Judge ?
(02.12.2025, 12:56)(12:56)0
JulieJUST IN: Andre Russell calls time on his IPL career and will join KKR’s support staff for 2026 ‼️(30.11.2025, 14:06)(14:06)0
TravisShoppers spend billions on Black Friday to snag holiday deals, despite wider economic uncertainty(29.11.2025, 17:11)(17:11)0
TravisSnow, rain and cold in store for some Thanksgiving travelers(29.11.2025, 17:10)(17:10)0
TravisThe pitch at Perth Stadium was rated "very good" despite a two-day finish in the first Ashes Test(29.11.2025, 10:57)(10:57)0
TravisWe are two days out or so from the start of the New Zealand vs West Indies test series.(29.11.2025, 10:51)(10:51)0
TravisPat Cummins did look brilliant in the nets over in Perth but will only be readier for his return come the 3rd Test in Adelaide, which should work perfectly for Australia, especially now that they’re 1-0 up going to the Gabba(29.11.2025, 10:41)(10:41)0
JulieSad news: Thirty minutes ago in Dallas, the family of former Dallas Cowboys icon Drew Pearson, aged 73, unexpectedly announced that he has passed away(29.11.2025, 08:00)(08:00)0
TravisPat Cummins is set to be included in Australia’s squad for the upcoming second Ashes Test against England in Brisbane, according to reports.(28.11.2025, 15:19)(15:19)0
TravisSuspect in shooting of National Guard members now facing a first-degree murder charge(28.11.2025, 14:24)(14:24)0
TravisLake effect snow piles up in Great Lakes region, impacting Thanksgiving travel(28.11.2025, 08:50)(08:50)0
TravisChiefs vs. Cowboys preview Week 13






Perhaps the most perplexing aspect of AT&T Stadium, otherwise known as “Jerry World,” is the glare from the sun that bursts through the windows and shines directly onto the field. Time and time again the glare has impacted players’ visibility during games, yet Jerry Jones refuses to make any changes to account for the sun.

Rather than install curtains, Jones has previously said he feels it’s a home-field advantage to have that type of stadium factor impacting games. Well, the glare ended up benefitting the Chiefs early into Thursday’s Thanksgiving game, as a pass from Dak Prescott to George Pickens fell incomplete, at least in part due to the impact of the sun’s glare.
(27.11.2025, 21:18)(21:18)0
TravisAT&T Stadium Glare Led to Plenty of Comments From NFL Fans During Chiefs-Cowboys(27.11.2025, 21:17)(21:17)0
TravisKittitian allrounder Kunal Tilokani earns U19 call upKittitian allrounder Kunal Tilokani earns U19 call up(27.11.2025, 13:19)(13:19)0
Travis'Wanted them to really grovel' - SA coach Shukri Conrad on keeping India on the field(25.11.2025, 18:29)(18:29)0
JulieHi(25.11.2025, 08:45)(08:45)0
Juliemotie 130 notout guyana 250(25.11.2025, 08:44)(08:44)0
Matthewhi(25.11.2025, 07:00)(07:00)0
Julie19 wickets fall between Aus and Eng and it’s great cricket, 19 wickets fall between W.I and any other country and we should be relegated…the double standards in world cricket.(21.11.2025, 06:40)(06:40)0
Travisketchim?(12.11.2025, 17:40)(17:40)0
Traviskwami?(12.11.2025, 17:40)(17:40)0
Traviswho is this(12.11.2025, 17:39)(17:39)0
AlvinChairmsn, I cant Log in(11.11.2025, 17:16)(17:16)0
SerenaThis batting performance by the West Indies in the second innings blew me away. I kept closing my eyes and then rubbing and opening them again and sat transfixed as I watch that unbelievable partnership between John Campbell and Shai Hope. What a magnificent performance by these two! It just goes to show that patience, determination and effort can go a long way to improve the performances of the West Indies team. Let us hope that this effort by West Indies batsmen would not be a one-off performance, but will be the beginning of a renewed effort to improve the performances of the team, going forward.(13.10.2025, 09:28)(09:28)0
SerenaJohn Campbell breaks a 23-year drought for West Indies openers with a Test hundred in India!

#INDvsWI #INDvWI #JohnCampbell
(13.10.2025, 05:49)(05:49)0
SerenaLet's celebrate that Ind will have to bat again as a notable achievement(13.10.2025, 05:32)(05:32)0
SerenaDefeat in Ahmedabad, we move to Delhi with an aim to the level the series.

#INDvWI | #MenInMaroon
(04.10.2025, 10:38)(10:38)0
Serena? USA Cricket Files for Bankruptcy

The Chapter 11 filing makes it the first known ICC member to declare bankruptcy. ⚡?
(03.10.2025, 12:22)(12:22)0
SerenaA maiden test wicket for Khary Pierre ends a challenging day 2️⃣

#INDvWI
(03.10.2025, 12:15)(12:15)0
SerenaWhy is WI best batter batting at #6 and why is he even keeping wickets in test?(03.10.2025, 07:26)(07:26)0
SerenaGive warrican vice captain on wat basis the man does nothing not even help chase(03.10.2025, 07:10)(07:10)0
SerenaWI waiting for declaration. India most likely will declare if or when both Jurel and Jadeja get to their 100s.(03.10.2025, 05:35)(05:35)0
Kade162 all out : India 121-2 stumps, day1(02.10.2025, 16:00)(16:00)0
Serenaif marriage certificate could get expire like driver's licence a lot of married men will never renew it(27.09.2025, 10:54)(10:54)0
WarrenJameis Winston is asked about being named QB3 on the Giants' roster behind Russell Wilson and Jaxson Dart:

"As a competitor, you want to be the starter. But I prepare to be the starter, I know I'm a starter in this league.

But you have to be able to be grateful for your role...my role right now is to assist Russ and Jaxson to be the best that they can be while preparing to be the best that I can be.

No matter if I'm 3, 33, this is my first year being number 19, so it's always a first for everything.

I focus on what I would love. And what I would love is for this team to have success."
(13.09.2025, 10:58)(10:58)0
Monicae(11.09.2025, 17:03)(17:03)0
RylandLol... Hetmyer. Fell agonizingly short of his century! Just 91 more he needed!(08.09.2025, 05:53)(05:53)0
RylandThe progress of the PPP government should not be judged by the dissenting voices of a few, but by the tangible benefits it has brought to everyone.(02.09.2025, 17:51)(17:51)0
Warren2 firefighters battling Washington state wildfire arrested by Border Patrol(29.08.2025, 10:51)(10:51)0
SalvadorPresident Ali hints at possible Christmas cash grant(27.08.2025, 12:36)(12:36)0
Sierrahi(27.08.2025, 12:07)(12:07)0
SergioWhat food could you eat every day of the week because you love it so much?(25.08.2025, 13:41)(13:41)0
KingsleyIsrael strikes a Gaza hospital twice, killing at least 20, including journalists and rescuers(25.08.2025, 11:27)(11:27)0
KingsleyShubman Gill returns to India's T20I squad as vice-captain for Asia Cup(20.08.2025, 12:54)(12:54)0
KingstonCanada's government forced Air Canada and its striking flight attendants back to work and into arbitration Saturday after a work stoppage stranded more than 100,000 travelers around the world.(16.08.2025, 18:08)(18:08)0
KingsleyGovernment papers found in an Alaskan hotel reveal new details of Trump-Putin summit(16.08.2025, 17:59)(17:59)0
LawrenceI'm confused how a cemetery can raise its funeral prices and blame it on the cost of living. ?(15.08.2025, 07:03)(07:03)0
LawrenceNext up West Indies play Nepal in a 3 match series (T20i), starting on the 27th Sept.(13.08.2025, 13:49)(13:49)0
Dominick
Go to top