Ron Paul Agrees With Kwami

original.antiwar.com/paul/2013/07/05/us-...pass-the-laugh-test/

but Paul ignores the opportunity Morsi created for  military intervention/coup by his impolitic MB policies and his refusal to sit down with his opposition as demanded by the military.

had Morsi and the MB sat down and made common cause with the people, they could have trumped the military and driven a stake into its heart.

he refused..the military took over and american may be still in charge in egypt

I  take it then Maps that you are in agreement with the military coup in Chile re Salvador  Allende, or Mossagdeh  1953 in Iran. You have revealed yourself to be a hypocrite for there can be no such thing  as a selective military which is righteous and some that are evil .'
You cannot have the overthrow of a democratically elected govt by the military in this day and age .
In 1992 the people of Algeria elected a n Islamic party FIS and they were not even allowed to take power by the military resulting in a civil war that  resulted in 200000 deaths and still  the military is in charge . I guess  then that you are also in support of the Algerian military . 
You always come here  and pontificate but at the end of the day the emperor has no clothes 
PS. I would however be in agreement with  you if Rafique Shaw was successful in overthrowing the Eric Williams Govt

Right now Maps is drawing up a long essay  to respond to my post

I was drawing up nutten.  I am drawing up an answer as best I can..now that I see your post

what I saw is clear...

the military is the danger and the people must destroy it.  the military represents that basic contradicion in the egyptian process.

Morsi openly got the military out of the way because the USA made the military stand down for him...like the made the Turkish military stand down for Erdogan.

they did that because both Erdogan and Morsi/Muslim Brotherhood are western puppets.  the west loses with neither in power in both countries.

I did not and do not agree with any military coup or military rule.  the people in the streets got rid of Morsi.  they did not want no religious extremism running their lives.  the military moved to pre-empt a peoples revolution.  they would have run over Moris government.

the military tried to save Morsi by trying to force him to the table with the opposition.  he refused!  the military if they were to save themselves and their power then pulled off their announced coup.

why did they announce and set it up as they did...to legitimise it.

wat you and Nargis doing is to attack the people..which is dead wrong. 

the people are against both the military and Morsi.  the peoples program is clear..the want their nation back, independent and focused on the peoples needs.

that does not square with egyptian military interests.

as I was saying about this man!

he cannot but be another puppet of the west.  the egyptians have to get the central bank out..to shut it down, repudiate the debt and start afresh as an independent nation.

no matter what..as long as those banks are there people remain enslaved

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is this correct?

did not Putin take back the Russian central bank recently..the source of the recent disconnect between Russia and the west ::confused::

and where do Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, North Korea etc stand?

Kwami...I try not to approach most things from a pre-conceived, judgemental angle.  the world is there, things go on.  I did not make the world nor did I do the Egyptian thing.  I have to see what went on and why.  all I do and am responsible for is my part in existence.

all that exists other wise is beyond me and beyond my causation and responsibility.  so I do not approach it as if its my buisiness and I am responsible and so I have a right to judge.  that is illogical.  who can learn anything about anything that way ::confused::

aftah lookin' at things from my perspective principles can be gleaned about universal events, that underpin them, that helps to analyse all that happens and one can get versed in understanding things.  not that I am versed but that I have an idea of how to be.

people do a whole lot of things all over the world that is right in one place and wrong in another.  whatever works culturally is what goes on as far as I see..that which enables human survival and progress.  that is why religion is a crock of crap because by faith it purports to know what is good for all humanity...and while purporting that their priesthoods steal all they can get their hands on.

religion does not know anything..asks us to believe while all that we know that is useful, opractical, used all the time for human benefit,  have come by sight..not by faith.

religions judges then on a basis on nonsense, thin air..not by social efficacy and use-value. 

but at the heart of religion is fraud, corruption and hypocrisy, for religion does live by sight and not by faith or they would not be as rich as they are..all churches.  they take the sight-time to make the very governments they are supposed to be against, prepare tax exemptions for them so their wealth is never taxed like any other wealth.

the point is we learn by understanding the physical world without a judgemental approach but one guided by principles gleaned out of our understanding of reality as we go.  so that is how I approached the situation in egypt and approach all others.

and from that I see that Morsi and the MB won a brilliantly calculated election in which the people were all for them.  but the MB had/has an extremist agenda and a seething impatience that put a noose around their political necks, quickly turning the people who favoured them..against them.

it is the Brotherhoods fault that caused them to fail.  they were not about CONSOLIDATING THE ELECTORAL DEMOCRACY THEY HAD WON..THAT HAD NOT BEEN PRACTISED IN EGYPT FOR A LONG TIME... IF EVER.

that's right.  one of the most important jobs the MB had to do was to make sure that they lasted an election cycle and that it was repeated, then repeated again over time so that the military would be driven from power by consolidating and routine electoral politics.

but the MB is driven by this skunt extreme religious program that roils in them, wont let them rest and it overpowered their good sense, causing them to over-reach immediately and scuttle  the the fledge..enraging the people and preparing the way for the army again.

but Ron Paul is not concerned with that.  he is concerned with Obama's hypocrisy.  his concern with Obama does not mean I am wrong about egypt..what went on..is going on

Where you are wrong is when you believe that the majority of Egyptians wanted  Morsi to go . Those people on Tahir Square in Cairo does not represent the  majority  in much the same way that those in Tehran or Moscow during their elections.
The muslim brotherhood inspite of the fact that I dislike them represented the views of the majority and they  almost had the Army neutered and out of politics but sinister forces  were at work, most likely the Zionists was who wanted the Mubharak status quo with the army to prevail.
Bottom line... army can and should not bring down a democratically elected govt

These countries are or were pariahs anyway with  Russia and venezuela  being in a financial position to kick out the International institutions
Right now Egypt is in the process of negotiating 5 billion dollar loan from the  IMF