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America Shutting Down

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16 Jan 2016 18:57 #287868 by mapoui

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16 Jan 2016 20:24 #287869 by mapoui

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16 Jan 2016 20:59 #287870 by chirp
It's scary what's happening to America right now. The retail stores are closing in massive numbers partly because people don't have the money they used to to buy things any longer, but on top of that you have nearly 1/3rd of America out of work (92 million Americans are out of the workforce at last check in December 2015). I see the country collapsing very soon unless some sort of miracle happens to correct and remove the ones from the highest orders that are doing this to the people.

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17 Jan 2016 01:05 #287887 by Sterlingjay0123
America is in so much debt right now it's a complete mystery as to how they'll get out of it! It doesn't seem like anything anyone is doing is helping. Though at this point there really is no clear path back to a safe financial situation. The government is technically a business, but if it were in the private sector it would've sunk long ago.  :(

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17 Jan 2016 01:11 - 17 Jan 2016 09:37 #287888 by mapoui
the miracle you wishing for is the collapse itself.  that is a miracle..the miracle that brings wit it the opportunity for ground up, thorough social change.  it all depends on what the people do when it collapses..or before it collapses..whenever even right now.  its what the people do.

if they sit around and allow the same people to rebuild well then for get it. they are done

but if they get involved and set up a real democratic situation built around the general interest then we are off and running
you must remember that there is no real problem...all the technology, skills and brains are still there, available to society.  it is the system the exploiters put in place that has failed. everything is intact.

1.  take back the currency and spend money as it should be spent..on infrastructure and essential services DEBT FREE.

2.  Kill the central bank and return all financial  activity to the government treasury

3. repudiate all government debt.  wipe them off the books..write them off. they are illegally accrued so if anyone must pay them it must be the politicians who colluded with the private central bank to raise all that debt on the backs of the people.  they took all kinds of bribes for doing that job. take it all back  from them..confiscate their wealth

write off all debt for the people which includes government debt, debt for education and credit cards..even for mortgages..save those in possession of the wealthy and corporations etc.  the money for those must be confiscated from the capitalist.  the people are broke and a decent and obvious way to reflate them is to write off debt and leave them with any assets they have like homes

society must start again and they way to do that is to write off debt, clean up the economy of debt, re-organize banking..bringing banking into public service from the profiteering, depleting and exhausting financial machine that process has become

4. break up all private banks..in fact eliminate them. reducing banking to the necessary and routine factor it is..like oil that is necessary to keep parts of an engine going..banking at routine levels an economy going.  but how ::confused::

a. small banks..either privately owned or government through the treasury.  one for every 1000 people liberally and practically spaced  throughout where people live. 

b.they cash checks and keep deposits of cash and valuables, sell money orders, exchange currencies, sell currencies for travel etc..insurance as well for the same purpose.

c. they may be able to give loans on the way the society decide to handle loans.  there will be the elimination of usury..loans as they are handled currently. no usury and no government spending  by paying interest on its own money/the national currency will eliminate  inflation leaving prices stable for long periods of time meaning value is also stable so salaries would be equal to the tasks workers have to meet in life..food, clothes, education, housing, entertainment, savings.
that being the case loans, credit cards and all such become almost unnecessary..so no need for debt.  any loans would be for huge items requiring only some agreed upon balanced charge that does not feed any exploiting financial class that grows to take over society. so there would be a specific small fee for loans by the hundred..or prolly 1% per year over the duration of the loan..5 years 5%

d.if the treasury runs the banks then there would be service charges at all for banking as the workers of the treasury are already paid for by taxation on the people..  banking charges would then be double taxation.  so by this principle there is prolly no need at all for privately owned banks at all..as banking becomes a simple and necessary service essential for the proper functioning of society..the opposite of what exists now

5. do the same to all insurance companies.  there must be a diffusion of programs of social securities to local authorities under supervision developed by local authorities themselves

6.  kill all stock markets.  only the main street economy is important and real.  stock markets are instruments for gambling with the public resource and wealth, while fleecing the people..all of them including those stupid enough to get involved in such gambling

7. break up all corporate monopolies, especially chemical and media/communications make localities.  kill the incorporation model as a way of organizing business

8. the focus of all economic activity... that is the production of food, and the general where-with-all of life must be produced locally to the greatest extent possible, achievable.  there must be a strong inter-relationship between local hinterland and the towns and cities it serves to produce strong general regional development withing the most cost effective frame work
all trade beyond local hinterlands must be of necessities that cannot be made locally/regionally, or nationally.

there is of course much more to this.....

but the problem is an oligarchy at the top organized society for exploiting it in the ways society is now run and functions.  that is what has failed because of the contradictions inherent in systems exploitation of the people.  in fact inherent in all social formation.  things change due to the development of knowledge and skills relevant to what we must do in order to survive. 

old ways become obsolete but the old ways carry a whole lot of people and how they make their living.  yet those old way must be replaced by the new and better and when those new ways and old ways clash in exploitative society they are accompanied by the hostilities developed over the years by exploitation of the people..by divide and rule and the hatred between social classes..between those who have and those whom they steal it form by stealing their labor in employment for low wages, in high prices they have to pay for everything to live

so because of the hostility that is endemic and routine in exploitative society bloodshed in changing it is guaranteed.  they call it social revolution.  but such revolution takes place all the time but when it is of exploitation social war is guaranteed.  democratic society will also require change as it goes. 

but a true democracy does not rely on social division into hostile and opposed classes by sectarian interest existentially.  that is the capitalist way..capitalist Dystopia or dysfunctional society..which is what we now live.  and at future points in a real democracy which does not produce hostile social division all social change would be negotiated, difficult may be but not hostile
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17 Jan 2016 05:33 #287890 by Watooka
It's not just America that is having problems. I have been selling and exporting my products to all corners of the globe for more than 10 years now. And from my export figures it is easy for me to identify the regions where sales have dropped off due to the perceived costs. Export is now less than 15% of my business. Before it was more like 40%.

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17 Jan 2016 07:07 #287892 by ellyjude
This video plus the link speak a lot. I know that it might fall down but it will eventually get up one way or another. Keep an eye.

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17 Jan 2016 09:29 #287901 by mapoui

the global problem is the same, the same cause, the same system..CAPITALISM and the exploitative way capitalism makes it profits.  profits are not made from business as that story is spun but from general social corruption and corporate criminality, financial enslavement of the people, total corruption of the government and legislature, to pass laws that legalize corporate criminality...

and with that we are just at the start. the world is falling apart because the bankers control all the central banks and currencies in the world, and have been in such control for a long time.  they use such control to bleed the entire planet and now that all the wealth is concentrated in their hands there is no more for anyone.  all is contracting, all is deflating and shutting down because of this fact.

in anticipation of just this development they implemented programs of austerity and deepening social control across the globe to keep the depleted system going.  they could end the financial extraction, give back money by writing off all the debt to reflate the system.

but they cant do that, not at this stage when there is so much technology about the system is shot anyway. no matter what things are not the same.  society is a point of qualitative social change.  there is no more capitalism..its done. our options are the people take over..or the capitalist police state wins and the capitalists become free to exert their will on the people of the world.

and we have seen exactly what that will be. Brave New World here we come.

to keep the system going interest charges must be paid at all costs.  that is the reason for programs of austerity.  the only location income to pay interest can come from is the social safety net.  that is why they are being eliminated/eviscerated/bled around the world.

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17 Jan 2016 09:51 #287902 by mapoui
HERE IS MIKE WHITNEY.....

The Chart That Explains Everything:

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17 Jan 2016 09:55 #287903 by mapoui
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