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02 Oct 2012 12:04 - 04 Oct 2012 16:23 #104298 by mapoui
1963 CLR James published a book called Party Politics in the west Indies.


James had broken with the PNM and in setting up his own independence in regional politics he explained a whole lot to the west Indian people, about the process that led to independence, and the nature of politics in the region.

in the explaining the process James said that only Eric Williams of all regional  leaders, wanted independence..that they all, without exception, were prepared to continue under British tutelage and colonialism

on break-up of the federation and movement to individual independence James mentioned talks between Williams and the British colonial secretary colonial sec, Ian McLeod, that contained according to my memory such comments as  "you can get back Chaguramas, we will have a word with the Americans about that.  you can get independence for sure.  but you know what we want."


'all else is fine as long as the basic conditions we established are adhered to.'  that was the clear implication in that report.


I don't recall if James went on to explain.  I did not get an explanation but that stuck with me.  what did the British stipulate for Williams, what was so basic that they insisted on it as a condition for independence.


I bounced into that book by 1965 and by 1968 I came to understand what it was that the colonial secretary insisted on for Titty..indeed for all the islands on the way to 'independence'. 


it was monetary control.  that's it! the British wanted the central bank of each island..or collection of islands..or the federation if that was the way the independence went forward.. and they got it.  and as  time went on I came to understand exactly what that meant for the west Indies.


so that was it..The Taboo Subject in the region..the openly held secret that meant Independence was a sham, a fake, a jackass thing.  and all we lived was a social buffoonery with all our independence pomp. 


I laffed.... became absolutely radical, openly contemptuous of all our leaders and political parties, of the nation that was not...the nation, the region, that was just a shell of s***..the west Indies

if I observed any limit at all it was talking about the banking itself as it related to our continuing enslavement... for I knew that that was death. 

so certain people who had some regard for me suggested that I leave Trinidad or death indeed, not too far along, would follow for me.

so that is the west Indies..all these fifty years since 1962..and before, backwards to the federation in 1958. it did not matter what political form we took to independence..individual or collective.  the British did not care.  the 'independence' they had for us was ours for the taking. as long as they got the central bank(s)

the British..Zionists really.. had evolved a foolproof means of social control that was cost-free, and far more comprehensive and effectively controlling, than direct colonial administration, that was expensive and an ever present incitement for rebellion


the only expense of financial control was anticipatory..the sending in of the troops in case of local rebellion against those locals they had left in charge... people like Williams himself, who above all the west Indian leaders of his time , knew and understood what he was doing..what he had accepted and done to the west Indian people. 

For intervention when necessary, the British... they had to keep enough military capability armed and ready.  and that was/is an expense... a high one.

but such cost is borne by the British people through their taxes.... not the bankers who actually control and profit from the 'new' process, under the principle of getting something for nothing

Eric Williams, the great economic historian, was the west Indian Woodrow Wilson, the american president who capitulated to the bankers in 1913, signing into law the Federal Reserve Act which established the same social rape of the American people, as imposed on the west Indies by 1962..as Williams agreed to for Titty ...really the entire west Indies for Williams was head and shoulders the main man in the west Indian leadership group of the time

Independent west Indies began on a lie... an and continues to founder socially on that same life 50 years up the road 


there is no possibility of any positive change in the west Indian social life,  as long as that reality remains in place. 

all the social horror in the region is exists as a result of that fact..the fact that the west Indian economy is taxed into the ground by forriners. 

no west Indian currency is owned by the west Indian people.  and all the wealth produced in the region is siphoned out, does not remain for social investment for the development of the region.. all money west Indian governments must spend is in turn borrowed at cost, which the people pay back through their taxes.


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02 Oct 2012 12:22 #104301 by ketchim
Plus Guyana is in South America .... :blank:

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02 Oct 2012 12:23 #104302 by ketchim
Colombus thought he was in India .... :blank:

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02 Oct 2012 12:36 - 02 Oct 2012 12:41 #104308 by mapoui
what sweetens me all the time is the social pomp of the westindinian elites and middle classes...with all their high achievements, prime ministers, permananent secretaries, this and that high official...




look at them..the westindian middle classes wearing their class consciousness on their sleeves..they are better..than whom exactly is the question?


they are all engaged 24/7 in their own exploitation, of their people and nation.  they are on a social branch with a saw, facing northwards and sawing with their left hand :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: 


yet they are pompous and superior, looking at their poor majorities with scorn, siding with their own executioner in the exploitation of their nation...the well-being of which is all that can save them ultimately.


incredible! ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes::
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02 Oct 2012 12:38 #104310 by ketchim
Banana Republics  ::rolleyes::

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02 Oct 2012 15:25 #104362 by ketchim
Canada can take some of them IF they interested !

Cause I can see the Caribbean becoming a Ghetto :

IF tourism dies !  ::redface::

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02 Oct 2012 15:29 #104363 by mapoui


well a few of them have aligned themselves to ALBA.  they are saved so far by petrocaribe.


some form of absorbtion by the continent is inevitable..unless deh get serious and along with Guyana make a proper self-centred nation

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02 Oct 2012 15:31 #104364 by ketchim
Guyan will piggy back on South American Countries :

the intent is obvious !

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02 Oct 2012 15:32 #104365 by The Captain
gy will never change


you need to bulldoze the whole 83,000 sq mi and start over 

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02 Oct 2012 15:46 #104367 by mapoui
2 factors appear to be pulling against such development:  a regional state


the greed and stupidity of the westindian blac elites. 


deh will not give up their lil powerful nieches in the Dots..which by my way of calculation includes jamaica, Titty and the Bim.


dem feel deh big but deh is Dot.


and of course growing  Hindu dominance.  Hindu-ism is a kind of Zionism, that regards and projects hindus as a kind of chose people.  I dont see that there is room for afros in their caribbean perspective.


what the see likely is an Indo/Hindu state stretching from BG right up the chain. 


we may have to see what immigration from India turns out to be like.  I dont know if the USA would be particular to an Hindu starte groing in this region.


but Hindu power grows in the world, while western power declines.  yet I dont see any nation around these parts that would be in favour of that.  so to get a powerful migration from India into BG and the westindies will take some doing over the next long while


to turn the westindies and BG into a fully Indo populated state such increase would have top come from inside, from existing population.  Indos are prolific yet that would take a herculean breeding effort.  and Afros are not likely to wilt away that easily nidah.


in the meantime we also must account for the efforts at depopulation of coloured people  flowing out of western power centres centred so far on poisoning world food supplies.  such efforts are likely to broaden into spreading of diseases, and pathogens tailored to specific ethnic groups.


the world ahead does not look nice at all..does it

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