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03 Oct 2012 07:35 - 03 Oct 2012 12:44 #104492 by mapoui



anyhow..nothing you have said subsequently, proves satisfactorily all contention and implication contained in your first negative above  about James.


the british intellectual going to Britain. 


dats how james saw himself in 1932 sailing for London.  when he arrived he knew there would be great disparity between what he 'knew' by preparation in trinidad and the reality he would encounter he was smart enough to expect it and deal with as he did.


Trinidad was deepely colonial in 1932,  James himself prepared the 'case for westindin independence' 


what was colonial life  and how did it impact a mind and life like James? by 1958 he had returned to be general  secretary of the PNM and the federal labour Party..from which posititions James led the fight for Frank Worrell to become the captain of the westindies team


5 years after James left the westindies exploded and the Moyne commission was sent out.  from there to internal self-government in 1956 under williams, federation in 1958 and independence in 1962 after the federation dissolved.


how can James be said to have abandoned the westindies?


James could not do much better than the 'case for westindian independence' at the time.  arrest and incarceration was the easiest thing for the colonial administration to do.  as James pointed out they were even planning to arrest Cipriani.


in fact the westindian revolution such as it was,  had to be prepared in Britain where there was greater freedom, greater democracy than in any damm colony.  so too the African decolonisation which also had an american component.


James did not turn his back on the westindies...


indeed all that the westindies has become... all the great men and women the westindies produced since 1839 had to leave colonial society to have any chance of development...exile in the north was their fate, a condition Edward Said knew very much about hence his conclusion on the significance of James above


henry Sylvester Williams, Claude Mckay, Malcolm Nurse, J A Rodgers, Williams himself, and tons more...all great westindian intellectuals from the last century, matured and developed in Britain and the USA.


today that phenomena is still intact for the westindies are still only glorified colonies, socially still colonised with all attendant dangers for those whose practise is liberative intellectualism and its literary, political and economic products..liberative sociology so to speak.


if james had been born in 1951, 61, 71, even 91 and were alive now, and lived in trinidad, and developed his life there exactly as he did in Britain from 1932, in the USA 1939 to '53, and back again to Britain, he wouldn not only be arrested and jailed, he would be assassinated.


thats right.  the social life in Trinidad curently,  under black and Indo elitist leadership is worse, far less democratic than it ever was in 1932..under arbitray  british colonialism.  it is far more dangerous now than it was back then.


the trinidad police/military currently..indeed all westindian police/military are far worse, more violent and brutal than they were under british  colonialism.


and the police/military are far better armed today,  and more prepared to kill ordinary westindians currently, than ever before... anyone indeed they are told are a threat.  they shoot ordinary westindians down like dogs in the street..especially in Trinidad. 

I saw that with my own eyes in 1991 in Arima, on my way to Sangre Grande to see a friend.
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03 Oct 2012 07:43 - 03 Oct 2012 12:46 #104493 by mapoui
I dont know if Webb's body was the sacrifice in James efforts to avoid deportation from america. 


I could see why he wanted to stay..his wife and son were there.


I always thought the book 'Mariners, Renegades and Castaways' was what James offered as bribe for for official america to relent in his deportation.  James is reputed to have written that very provocative book while  at Rikers.


and James was indeed married to an american and had a legit claim.  however it was the age of McCarthy and McCarthyism was impermeable to sympathy or any humane consideration when it came to who were regarded as communist.


I cant see the negative implications in your posts Bokey.  they cannot be substantiated
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03 Oct 2012 08:47 - 03 Oct 2012 10:14 #104497 by mapoui


it is important to note here: p[color=rgb(34, 34, 34)]rovides considerable documentation to suggest that the organization had many features of a cult [/color] [color=rgb(34, 34, 34)]]documentation to suggest only..not prove. [/color][color=rgb(34, 34, 34)]]that is the sense I get all I see here..in a review of Webbs work..not Webbs work itself [/color]
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03 Oct 2012 09:46 #104505 by ketchim

At least he posts links to buttress his case !

You , on the odda hand , continue to obfuscate !  ::rolleyes::

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03 Oct 2012 10:41 #104522 by mapoui
kwami was just being his old self deh...


a lot of people see Hinduism as Juadiasm/zionism's twin.  but what is more important is that hinduism is a very concerning factor in global society


the questions is..how to incorporate or relate to hindu successfully. 


Jews do not integrate anywhere they are. they are an  outside controlling factor that moves according to their internal drive that include no one bet them or adherents to their religion.


its the same with Hindus.  there must be some form of integration where different people live  however they came to be there.


as I pointed out previously there is going to be a lot of trouble in the world as India rises.  there will be some future class between Indian and China for sure because the Chinese as just as difficult when it comes to integration.  yet chinese are all over three world.


efforts at social control and resistance appears to be the future of human society unless there is basic social change in the expansionary factors in the world..Indian, Chinese and Zionist chauvinisms

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03 Oct 2012 13:05 #104590 by mapoui
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ao yu know a whole lot about CLR James...his career, what he means to the westindies etc.  you do not appear to have a positive view of him. 


why don you give us your side of the story tehn.  I fuh one would appreciate it greatly?

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03 Oct 2012 14:28 #104722 by mapoui
ketchim:  did yu read my lasts posts from around #95?


comment ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes::

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