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I Believe That Westernization of Africa and the Middle East is Inevitable

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25 Oct 2014 23:32 #220205 by Kwami
another thing , you called yourself PATTA CAKE  and where I came  from that means pussy or vagina , Take it how you may

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26 Oct 2014 02:51 #220212 by pattycake

You would't last a week in Africa.  ::LOL::

And that's the double truth Ruth.  ::LOL::

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26 Oct 2014 02:52 #220213 by pattycake

No, my screen is pattycake, not PATTA CAKE.

Reading is fundamental.

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26 Oct 2014 02:57 - 26 Oct 2014 03:08 #220214 by pattycake

The women there need to liberate themselves so that the course of violence there can change, and the children can be protected. None of that can be with an institution of oppressed women. And America is far from perfect, so the women all over the world need to liberate themselves so that the course of violence can change and the children can be properly nurtured and protected.

We cannot have peace, love, and prosperity on this planet with the women in darkness.

And that is the law of the universe.

Which is something even Karl Marx tried to tell us a long time ago.

I agree that it shouldn't be called westernization because it isn't. But it's considered westernization to sexist males who want to keep women confined to the bed, kitchen, and supporting their ego.
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26 Oct 2014 05:28 - 26 Oct 2014 05:48 #220221 by TRINIDADDY
'Imperial democracy mainstreams women's rights discourse into foreign policy and militarises women for imperial goals' - Zillah Eisenstein

'It is the policies of the ruling class - including policies that institutionalise sexism and racism in society; policies that fuel hate and aggression and take resources away from beneficial programmes - which promote and perpetuate this violence.' - Leilani Dowell


You're basically rallying against sexism and patriarchy, and of course you're ABSOLUTELY correct. But my position is that sexism always has historical, political, class and economic dimensions. It's not enough to say "men should westernize and stop treating kids and women badly" without examining other things.

And often the notion that we in the civilized world are "liberating" women and men from "sexist", "barbarians" is but a pretext and a myth. We engeder this backwardness, benefit from it, and support those who do. Every "liberated" woman in the west has a small army of oppressed women halfway around the world supporting her.

It will be righteous African and Indian and Middle Eastern men and women, those with morality and guts, who slowly and inevitably reform these countries. The West, as it exists as some vague ideological entity, doesn't care much, and will do everything it can to hamper this development.

A sick African man can kidnap and rape a thousand African girls, an Islamist can stone a million women, a Hindu Indian can rape a thousand villagers, and I would not hold them responsible. People are the products of larger forces, the personal is a product of the social, behaviour is a product of systems, and often we in the "West" condemn these people in a condescending way without realising our complicity and how we directly benefit from "their" backwardness.

And when you look at the actual history of these countries, you will see that they were all becoming secular, liberal and "civilized", until we started fanning flames of hate and giving platforms to barbaric people. Human beings aren't stupid. We evolve, we change and we learn compassion and love. In this respect you are absoltely correct: we (hopefully) will become more moral, more "liberal" (in the classical, enlightenment sense). Unfortunately there are jerks on both sides, East and West, who do everything to hamper this.

Other further ironies: it was World War 2, and so massive bloodshed, which "liberated" women by giving them toursers and putting them in factories to make guns and bombs. Likewise, it was the need for a larger workforce (and so the ability to push down wages for both men and women- ie more workers, more competition, smaller salaries), which "liberated" the western woman. Even things like condoms and the pill, which had a bigger effect on women's liberation than well-meaning activists, had dark flip-sides.
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26 Oct 2014 10:09 #220225 by mapoui


correct..and very funny indeed :D :D

pheeeeeeeew.  too much yes.  I have to move away a lil bit.  put some distance between me and the tickles
::LOL:: ::LOL:: ::LOL:: ::LOL::

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26 Oct 2014 15:13 #220321 by pattycake

Trinidaddy, you are absolutely right, it's not enough to say "men should westernize and stop treating kids and women badly" without examining other things. And I'm not saying that at all. Though it's not true that westerners have no desire for change, because I am American and I am making an effort to enable world change by going deeper and examining other things. So it's not just women in the east whose doing something to bring change into existence. I believe that we all must learn to stop making sweeping generalizations against nations and realize that the same problems of resistance exist everywhere.

There's many people for instance who think that Israel is flawless and America is only flawed. But we must learn to stop seeing in duality and black and white, and realize that all nations are flawed and have internal chaos working at it's roots to obstruct human relations.

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04 Nov 2014 15:53 #221987 by chairman
africa and middle east will never be westernized

Always tell someone how you feel because opportunities are lost in the blink of an eye but regret can last a lifetime.
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04 Nov 2014 20:34 #222005 by Kwami
Pattacake  I will ignore you . You are an Indo  Trini Man pretending to black woman  so that you can bash Black people.

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05 Nov 2014 01:30 #222057 by pattycake

That remains to be seen.  :)

It's pretty much westernized already in a city like way.

It's just the women whose holding up production on freedom.

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