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What a Bunch of Nice Guys...

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17 Dec 2014 09:46 - 17 Dec 2014 09:51 #229198 by pattycake

Pushing your weight around again Ketch?  ::LOL::

You gonna go to Chairman and pressure him to ban me if I don't leave this thread?  ::LOL::

My my....

Look whose talking about a bunch of nice guys.  ::LOL::
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17 Dec 2014 09:52 #229201 by ketchim
whatever man , U and wulf are nuisance value  ::)

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17 Dec 2014 09:55 #229203 by pattycake

How am I a nuisance?

I never said anything to you in this thread. I was talking to Trini.

So how is my talking to Trini a nuisance to you?

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17 Dec 2014 09:57 #229204 by ketchim
This is Snoop thread re : Eradication of Religion featuring the Taliban.

Your scatter brain has Trini actually responding : I also respond.

BUT you not listening : you just carrying on ...

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17 Dec 2014 10:02 #229207 by pattycake

Why bother listening to a scatterbrain?  ::LOL::

Why not ignore me?

Since I wasn't speaking to you in the first place?

What's your problem?

Why can't you mind your own business?

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17 Dec 2014 10:20 - 17 Dec 2014 10:29 #229217 by TRINIDADDY

If you bother to actually read the works of historians, you wouldn't say such a silly thing. CIA directors, presidents, Brzezinski (the CIA's lead strategist), the Clintons, and countless historian who documents the region, have publically admitted this. And not only did the US (and NATO) create the Taliban, it continues to both pipe money to the Taliban and give them leadership positions within the Afghan government.

There is no universal law saying that "wars are the planet's way of getting rid of bad, barbaric people who are deemed by the planet to be waste". That is a sick thing to say. You are making a value judgement and deciding who deserves to live or die; this is the bedrock of fascism.

Besides, a cursory look at the world will tell you that it is often the stupid and the violent who survive en masse. Power survives and perpetuates itself. The good die.


The US invasion of Panama, which killed more people than whom died on 9/11, was done because of boredom and not land, money and markets? All that energy was expelled into funding dictators and planning invasions because people were bored? Holy crap. Reading this stuff melts my braincells.

The Napoleonic wars were due to boredom? WW2 was due to boredom? The conquest of the West Indies was due to boredom? France's current raping of Haiti is due to boredom? No, you are too lazy to learn - you deem facts boring - so you concoct weird, mystical, pseudo-religious explanations for history and human behaviour.

You understand this makes no sense? Afghanistan was not backwards before the CIA started attempting regime changes. When these regime changes failed, it then created the Taliban. Then Afghanistan became increasingly backwards. Meena Kamal was killed in the late 1980s, when the Taliban had conquered Afghanistan.

No child is born wanting to be a criminal or outcast.

No it's not. This is a stupid thing to say. Yes, everyone dies and becomes biomass, but the Earth does not have a "cleaning system" which "triggers wars" to "get rid of people it deems waste".

And the slaughter of the Native Indians was nothing but a place to vent? Some colonialists were bored, decided to "vent" on some Indians, and team up with the Planetary Cleaning System to do a little spring cleaning? Holy crap, man.

Listen, I will agree that all violence has a stupid, psycho-sexual element. A kind of primitive desire to dominate, stick out your penis and metaphorically rape up the place. It is a kind of "venting" of unconscious (usually hyper-masculinist) urges. But you cannot just stop your analysis there and leave it at that.

Operation Windsor, the British coup of Guyana, wasnt done because some sexually repressed Brits wanted to "vent". It was done for economic reasons. The US genocides in Indonesia werent done to "vent", they were done for economic reasons. The slave trade wasn't done to "vent", it was done for economic reasons.

Similarly, those "barbaric people/locals" who resisted my above 3 examples, werent resisting because they wanted to "vent", they resisted because they didnt want to get raped. Their deaths dont make them "waste".

Similarly, those "barbaric people" who assisted the Empires in raping their fellowmen, didnt assist because they wanted to "vent", they assisted for economic reasons.

People with no control deserve to die? You understand that if you believed what you just said, according to all modern neuroscience, you would be justified in killing everyone?

I would love to see you go up to a couple hundred internet addicts, alcoholics or fat people and tell them they deserve to die. Or go up to everyone killed in the Holocaust and tell them they deserved to die; "sorry, you're just waste which the planet needs to clean up".


Russia was run by monarchs/Tsars related to the monachs of Britain. The Bolshiviks kicked them out. The West freaked out and backed Hitler to go north and invade Russia and re-instate the White Army and the monarchs. Hitler, like all Western buddies, turned out to be too much of a psycho. The West then backed Stalin against Hitler. 85-90 percent of Nazi forces were killed by Stalin; though a bad guy, he saved Europe from Naziism. Both dictators were a direct cause of the bigger Empires supporting reactionary movements. France, US and the UK supported the royals instead of genuine democratic movements within Germany and Russia, leading to an extreme extreme right winger in Germany (Hitler, who did their bidding to crush the Spartan league, worker unions and Marxists), and an extreme left winger in Russia (Stalin, who had to become increasingly violent to keep virtually the whole world from taking back Russia and reinstating feudal rule). Violence begets violence.

Stalin had little to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union. He was already long dead. Energy is always the culprit that brings down empires. No energy, no empire. The type of energy changes - bio fuels (wood, grain, livestock) to fossil fuels (Coal, Oil), to human energy (slavery, exploitation) - but when they cease to continue to grow with the expanding empire, the empire starts to decline. Russia had severe oil shortages, grain shortages, severe debts, and Saudi Arabia kept flooding the market with oil, thereby decreasing the sale-value of Russian oil. Combine this with the bloated size of the Empire, its stupidly huge military, and the fact that members of the Bolshivik party had been bribed by Westerners to essentially "privatize" Russian assets, and you had a nation which simultaneously ran itself broke and sold itself off.
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17 Dec 2014 10:25 #229219 by ketchim

Okay : Carry On

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17 Dec 2014 10:40 #229230 by TRINIDADDY
Speaking of Native Indians, the Taliban in Pakistan are already contained within what are called Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), just like the reservations and huge camps the Native Indians were put in during the 1880s by the American settlers.

You have hundreds of thousands of people living in the FATAs, as they contain normal Pakistani villages too. This years attacks on the FATAs by the Pakistani airforce and army - none of which is being covered by mainstream news - has already displaced a little less 500,000 people, both Pakistanis and Taliban villagers. The World Health Organization says 74 percent of these displaced are women and children.

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17 Dec 2014 10:42 #229232 by ketchim
Even when presented with video evidence , pattax continues merrily along  ::LOL::

Beyond LAZY.

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17 Dec 2014 10:54 - 17 Dec 2014 17:17 #229236 by pattycake
I'm sorry, but War is a universal force with an impetus of it's own. And I personally don't care whether the US formed the Taliban or not, because I know that usury has to be organized.


People fight because they're angry and bored. Period. When people are no longer angry and bored, they will feel no desire to fight. Case closed.


Stop playing the blame game and accept the fact that people are a piece of work. Just because they can easily be gathered and led doesn't change the fact they're a piece of work to begin with. Only what's really there can be manipulated. You can't harness something that isn't there to be harnessed. Accept the fact that all of us are contributors to the way life is.


No child is born wanting to be a criminal or outcast? Of course not. I didn't say that they were.


If you agree that violence is a stupid, psycho and sexual element, then how can you not recognize that as waste? How on one hand can you say that war isn't due to anger and boredom and I"m wrong to say so, then on the other that violence is a kind of venting of hyper masculinist urges? Come on Trini... You're killing me.  ::LOL::


People fight because their angry and bored. You admitted it yourself.  ::LOL::


Yep. Menaces are people who can't control themselves, and it's very common that they don't make it. Very common. Somebody winds up taking them out. And people usually feel relived when the menace is gone and even celebrates. How can you not rejoice over a terrorists being gone? What are you saying? That such a person should be mourned?


Now about Soviet Union. What I get is that is was under some kind of weird rule where nobody earned any money or something. Everybody had to work for their common living needs. Well that s*** phased out because it had to. That's a good thing. What Stalin proved was that the country was in trouble and had messed up governance. A change doesn't just pop up overnight, it streams from pre-existing circumstances.










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