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25 Jun 2016 10:52 #309478 by ketchim
There is no mystery: stop jumping to conclusions.

The poor whites just want some say

Trump will screw them of course : Trump name is on buildings everywhere

including downtown Toronto :Know what the name TRUMP is present valued at ??

Know its FUTURE value after sitting inna de White House as a Prezzie  ??

UNTOLD quadrillions !!!  ............start thinking along those lines.

the poor WHITES are about to get screwed : in Britain and in the USA

AGAIN.

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25 Jun 2016 11:50 - 26 Jun 2016 20:56 #309494 by mapoui

wat jumping to conclusions!

look at the situation today from the outside.  why do we have a an undemocratic, unelected bureau running the EU...who does it benefit.. and how does it benefit them.. and why does it benefit them now ::confused::

it is necessary at this stage to so organize life from the capitalist point of view...from their social interest.  if you look everywhere you will see the same development of bureaucracy into the social power and the destruction of elected so-called democratic power.

look at this relevant question:  what has happened to the Caricom drive to sweep the wicb out of office and reform the administration of cricket in the west ::confused:: ::confused::

that movement appears to be dead! why ::confused:: ::confused::

if it is... what I expected is that it was read to the Caricom governments that that is what international forces want..the wicb, a bureaucracy as it is... so that they must leave it be.

and look at Skameron's behavior..as confident as can be, as if nothing can touch him.  that can only be because he has support bigger than Caricom.

why is Bureaucracy so powerful now, and expanding rapidly...and now also executive, actually making the laws by which society is run, initiate policy-making,  and that the only function left to elected officers of the people is to vote on what they are told to vote on, and how to vote on what they are given to vote on ::confused::

it is the rise of the corporate state out of which all comes behind the bureaucracy..corporations which are also bureaucracies.  it is because that is the only remaining way to protect their/the social power from the people, as capitalism fails and revolution can be accomplished at the ballot box..as was the case in Ven for example..in latin america..in Greece.  the people may now vote in who they want but the government has no power.  the power is now in the bureaucracy.

so the people want a say.  THEY CAN HAVE NO SAY, CAN RETAIN NO SAY IN HOW SOCIETY WORKS.  IT IS ALL SLOWLY BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE...ALL SAY IN HOW SOCIETY FUNCTIONS!

why ::confused::

because here are no more jobs for the people in capitalism.  none!  nada!  the people are superfluous now. the capitalist has no more use for the people and that most people apparently do not realize. if you are redundant your social power is a danger to the those who are not redundant.  which raises the question of redundancy:  who actually are redundant- the people or the rich  minority ::confused:: 

then comes the relative nature of social power to the equation.  who has the social power..the rich ::confused:: 

so are the people without power ::confused::

no!  in collective the people are actually far more powerful than the rich.  the rich have police/military who may or may not support them.

the rich have divided the people seven ways to Sunday so much so that they cannot see their way clear to the truth..that is they have greater social power and one real interest..to combine and take over society to secure their social position...which must come at the expense of the rich.

so that is the situation:  society evolves and in doing so makes this or that, that is relevant today redundant tomorrow.  the majority of the people cannot be redundant.  in existential terms that is not a possibility.  the minority can be redundant however and the rich are redundant currently..the single most significant hindrance to human social evolution and threat to human existence.  but in seeking to survive they have fooled the people into thinking the opposite of truth. 

and the way society evolves is that it produces social formations based on human activity that seeks to guarantee our survival as best as possible.  continued activity to improve human conditions and chances of indefinite survival also changes formations as we go.  but formations composed of human beings by class fight evolution... which is where we are at.

when a system is old it is old and must go.  it is not a question of reform and fine tuning..like giving the people a greater say in their affairs.  that does not compute.  capitalism as it has evolved to this point is unnecessary for further human advance.  it is in the way of human survival and humanity gets rid of it or dies. 

that is what I mean by implies either or social evolution.  that is the state of affairs, how society works. 

capitalism is finished, it is dead  and represents a backward social element engaged in all manner of social evil in effort to protect and perpetuate the capitalist social class' power... not capitalism.  they have the wealth and the power already and the system cant work.  so they they don't care about the system, only the question of how they can survive on top of society, in power perpetually.

IT IS OUT OF THAT REALITY AND NEED OF THE RICH TO DEVISE WAYS TO REMAIN IN POWER  FOREVER COMES THE BUREAUCRATIC STATE... AND ULTIMATELY THE HORROR OF  A BRAVE NEW WORLD, THE MAKINGS OF WHICH IS ALREADY IN SOCIAL OUTLINE BY WHAT THE CORPORATE STATE IS DOING. 

THAT IS WHY MORE SAY FOR THE PEOPLE IS MOOT IDEA, NONSENSE! THE CAPITALISTS CANT AFFORD THA NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY

The people have one chance and one chance only, historically...and that is to take over society and establish a peoples democracy.  that is the historic social role of the ordinary people in development/social and human evolution, from ancient serfdom and slavery, to modern African slavery and serfdom and now debt slavery and Brave new World.

you see ketchim the only way humanity can make it, is is in full development of its diversity, biologically, culturally, technologically in a positive sense,  in response to the real question humanity faces:  how do we survive indefinitely in an evolutionary universe...a question of vast reality and comprehensive consequences, still beyond our comprehension far less a positive answer... relative to the real challenges to life and survival we face...not this chump krap we are perpetually engaged in.. making money for zoonist capitalist accumulation, that is totally pointless activity relative to existential truth right in front of our faces..even as we pollute and poison the world, make endless war, focused on endless backward activities to ensure our our current ignorant, brutal and backward, environmentally ruinous masters continue in power


the answer is social revolution and popular democracy..by the people for the people for humanity and indefinite survival.  they are no reforms and stop gap nutten.  society works this way and this way only: the new replacing the old ad the old producing the new on its way out.  anything else is opposed to nature and produces ultimately human extinction, with a whole lot of social trouble, blood and gore along the way
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25 Jun 2016 11:57 #309495 by ketchim
quite noble reasons and above the comprehension level of the masses !

These Polls and Referendums are giving the EXPECTED results

BUT for the WRONG reasons.

ALL they know IS to fight AGAINST disenfranchisement and poverty.

They understand their jobs were Outsourced

They understand they cannot compete with cheap labor and unions Free Trade

thats about the ONLY reason the Polls "stick it to the Establishment"

by rejecting the EU and giving Trump the White House

Lets get Real !

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25 Jun 2016 12:08 - 26 Jun 2016 20:59 #309498 by mapoui

so far.

it is only when the masses move in opposition to minority excesses do we get the massive forward social movement that is necessary..or was necessary to have brought us to this point with this current opportunity.

at this point of critical challenge again, popular involvement is essential for us to get past this stage safely, to win a chance to go on. if the old wins and stays around on top of society  humanity is toast. 

the new must prevail for us to go on.  that is what you do not see.  there must be the transition to that which has evolved functionally to  get the human work done to go forward.  that work and formation is no longer capitalist.  capitalism is old and past time. 

and if we do not transition properly we are toast

it ent have nutten to do with nobility.  it is trying to live.  if you mange to have some ability, for the moment ahead of most, then it is incumbent upon you to share it to speed up the process.

speak it when and wherever opportunity arises and let it fall where it may.  one never knows
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25 Jun 2016 12:46 #309500 by ketchim
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25 Jun 2016 13:02 #309503 by ketchim
In Britain, Boris Johnson led the Brexit campaign to victory—and perhaps to 10 Downing Street.

In the United States, Donald Trump will ride his message of “America First” to Cleveland

—and perhaps to the White House.

And they are not alone.

In Austria, Norbert Hofer advanced to the threshold of the Hofburg Palace.

In Hungary, polls show growing support for the far-right Jobbik party.

Across the Western world, populist ethno-nationalism is rising,

and unscrupulous politicians have spotted the opportunity,  ;)

and are eagerly riding it to power..

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25 Jun 2016 13:04 #309504 by ketchim
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/201...84/?utm_source=atlfb

but the benefits of globalization heavily outweigh its costs.

And those who cannot see this, those who would resist it, those who would undo it

—they are ignorant of their own interests, bigoted, xenophobic, and backward..

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25 Jun 2016 13:29 #309510 by mapoui
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/201...84/?utm_source=atlfb

who the hell is Yoni Applebaum ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused:: ::confused:: >:( >:( >:(

K'chim that is not a very solid article.  and look at who he/she quotes..David Frum, a discredited Toronto political operative from Forest Hill.

wat yer up to ketchim ::confused::

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25 Jun 2016 13:31 #309511 by mapoui


and that is your own opinion ketchim! 

are you serious ::confused::

where did you get that from ::confused:: ::confused::

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25 Jun 2016 13:36 #309514 by ketchim
Are we witnesses to the break-up of the European Union?

Doesn't this remind us of the break-up of the West-Indian Federation in the 1950s

in our own backyard, when Eric famously said:

" Ten minus one leaves you with zero"


Was Eric Williams prescient  ??

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